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Heartblock, I feel for you, especially as part of the reason for making Melbourne Grove a blocked off LTN was because it has the school entrance. Mind you, I suppose they would argue that the 'market' they insisted on foisting on the street gets in the way now. The little chess moves on their board are so obvious.

Being disabled, I find your comment about disabled rights very nasty. I challenge you to take a few days in my situation and see how f@(/ing inconvenient lime bikes sprawled across the pavement really are ! You shouldn't have to even reveal that to make the case. Many of us, I am sure, have personal experience of disability. Hence the strength of feeling. And again, many on this thread also cycle, but they are not sanctimonious, myopic, campaigners.

You're Claus from the Forest HIll Society and I claim my £50. A proflic cycle campaigner who attempted to implement a mini LTN at Forest Hill station which was soon reversed when it was unworkable. Aaah. Now it makes sense. Claus the cycle campaigner.

Well, bike dumping is literally on the increase and there are certainly types of crime and violence increasingly associated with e-bikes and scooters.

There was never a major issue with parking until it was created. It is largely a manufactured problem.

Sorry if my objection to fireworks is inconvenient for you. But no, I can't just 'get over it'.

Fireworks tonight. Wonder what the occasion is?

Does anyone know how much this review will cost?

Perhaps not a good idea of public to be messing around clearing public drains? Rats are a thing and Weil's is dangerous. If this is a problem area both Council and water authority should be alerted and whichever most relevant sort it.

In summary, This is not just about carbon footprints. Animal welfare should also be considered and that includes wildlife. Nonetheless, that said, I do not begrudge a few organised events every year on specific dates, preferably with low noise fireworks now available. Again, if pet owners know then they can avoid. The poor wildlife just has to cope but, unlike pets, they can within reason escape and/or hide. It is the impromptu, without warning, back garden extravaganzas that are the real problem, invariably the most gratuitously noisy and 'bangy'.

Not sure where you think the misunderstanding is. Bikes and scooters are being left lying around in a way that hinders Active Travel and those less mobile/disabled. Thus far there seems no plan to deal with that. There seems to be a body of evidence in other countries that the bike/e-scooter-plonk-it-anywhere-when-you-are-done syndrome, gets worse not better without some form of intervention and regulation.

Perhaps we only need hire e-bikes and dump the e-scooters before the local area becomes a dumping ground for them.

Lead by example and if you are still using them or attending 'big bang' events then stop.

As I hear displays starting for what will no doubt last for days it is worth reading this link, bearing in mind that is just one animal species. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/nov/03/bonfire-night-fireworks-cause-major-distress-to-wild-geese-study-finds

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davekeating/2019/10/29/cities-are-cracking-down-on-shared-e-scooters/ Seems the evidence against e-scooters has been out there for some time. Why wait for the same issues to emerge here?

Yes, but Southwark has expressed a commitment to Active Travel and to supporting rights of disabled and less mobile. Bikes/scooters cluttering up the pavements hinder both. Therefore, even if there is currently nothing to say where hire bikes should be left, perhaps there needs to be? I say hire bikes because, to date, I have not seen privately owned bikes left in a similar manner.

I do agree with this. If the bangs and fizzing noises, but especially the bangs, can be removed it would make a huge difference.

Yes, they really do need to get ahead of the game and have a workable plan. There is enough evidence of what is going on in other countries to make this a necessity.

Ah, that is really useful to know. To add, if money is docked through the app I guess that should make its way to the council for public use. Agree probably too difficult but in principle?

If I can move them, I do but often it is many not a few. I am with you on the e-scooters LL. Let's leave those for private ownership, as and when, and encourage more walking. If you can use an e- scooter you can almost certainly walk. If the council is going to sub-let large swathes of public pavement to private e-bike companies then the quid pro quo has to be proper, safe management and hire of those bikes. I still think parking camera cars could monitor drop- off areas and issue on the spot fines for those seen leaving a bike lying on the pavement.

I guess the problem there is when micro mobility hinders Active Travel, which it does if scooters are cluttering up the pavements and left lying around in an inappropriate way. It's classified as micro-mobility rather than Active Travel although it does fulfil a gap for journeys too long for easy walking but not far enough to bother getting a bike out for.

LL, That is an interesting point and one that had not occurred to me. Why do we need both?

No Nigello, not in the same way. Some people may have pets when they shouldn't, but for many they provide essential companionship. But even if there is a wider ethical debate about the wisdom of keeping animals in modern, urban settings, the fact is those animals do currently exist and they are living beings with emotions and should be protected from harm. Part of the problem with fireworks is the randomness. If they were limited solely to one night of Diwali, Bonfire Night and New Year's Eve, then pet owners could prepare and avoid. However, from November right through to Feb, you never know when someone is going to have an impromptu back garden display.

LL, Cllr Rose' use of language is simply astounding. It does read as though she, at least, views TFLs purpose is to create a narrative around changes that support and protect Cllr agendas, whatever the objective truth. To then disover TFL officers were reduced to tears after a meeting with some Southwark Cllrs makes the whole thing look very stinky indeed. It may be clumsy use of language on her part but I think it reads exactly as you say.

Nicely put Legal.