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Trinidad do you have access to email? I know it is far from ideal but phoning secretaries is unlikely to work these days. Ask for an email address for the consultant?s secretary and email them. If for some very good reason you cannot access email then suggest you go to PALS and ask for support to access the consultant?s secretary. I assume you are unable to leave messages on the secretary?s phone? I hope this is helpful.

Eh?

I think the crime risk or perception of risk applies both to those cycling and walking, especially when its dark. Also not sure what the solution is.

If the neighbour building is attached to yours or they are digging foundations a certain distance from you (you?ll have to check the distance)a Party Wall Agreement may be in the interests of both parties https://hoa.org.uk/advice/guides-for-homeowners/i-am-improving/party-wall-agreement/

Precisely!

So if someone with a condition like relapsing remitting MS, that precludes a long walk but might allow travel in an automatic car, needed to visit the surgery, would this not be a case where being too ill to walk but not to drive applies? People who are immunosuppressed or undergoing cancer treatment may feel safer in a car. Many people may have to be driven by a carer, like the elderly. I could go on?!

But so what? That was always predictable and I doubt there are very few, if any, Farage supporters on here. Just because someone jumps on an issue for their own ends does not invalidate the issue.

Point 3 is interesting; ?bringing forward schemes that were wanted but may been in the ?too hard box? for whatever reason. What does ?too hard box? mean when it is set against the ?were wanted? element? Who wanted it, the majority of taxpayers or sections of the council and a few vocal groups? It does seem to confirm that the council used Covid and social distancing to fast track all the stuff they ?wanted? to do.

Finally, this feels like something we can all agree on. Robin, have you raised the green bus idea with James McAsh or any other local councillors recently?

Robin, I too think the Green bus is a great idea and is just the sort of lateral thinking that no reps of the sitting or mainstream parties are exhibiting...too caught up in ideology and ?big? ideas. What we desperately need are smaller, practical ideas, like yours. Really, perhaps you should consider running again.

Malumbu, Amazed, given you are a cycling instructor, you did not already know about that SC link!? Perhaps you were just being snide, though surely not given your previous comments about passive aggressive behaviour. Useful link for anyone for or against, guess that was my reason for posting it 🙂

Please be aware Southwark Cyclists are getting members to support measures, they have templates and are asking their supporters to email councillors to indicate support https://southwarkcyclists.org.uk/streets-for-distancing-2/ While they have every right to this it is hoped that the overwhelming number of voices against are also going into councillor inboxes. My point being that SC, like other favoured lobby groups, probably know the best way to be heard and that meets with Council process.

Ask your councillor, they should advise.

Malumbu, please give it a break. You have made accusations of passive aggressive behaviour, so why not follow your own advice? It is disingenuous to suggest that if you disagree with council led events that really you should not voice concern but instead wait to stand for election. It does at times feel as though there is a concerted effort by those closely involved with council supported agendas to shut down debate. There is a perceived issue with consultation with the council, where many feel the approach is partial and undemocratic. The forum is one place where frustrations and views can be aired/vented and councillors challenged. Of course, councillors would prefer us to contact them via private email or via a council ?consultation? exercise, but there are doubts over scrutiny and oversight. Some posters do not live directly in the area represented by the councillor who chose to come on this forum, but then neither do you, yet you still feel you have the right to comment and participate? If I have understood, you say you live in Lewisham? Apologies if that is not the case. I think most in politics accept vigorous challenge and debate as par for the course. I do not feel the nature of certain posts has been ?aggressive?; they have been tenacious and at times indicated intense frustration. Sorry Admin, just seen your response above. Feel free to remove my post if you consider it unhelpful.

I think Rockets is doing just fine and so will many others.

Metallic, I agree, from some of the pro-closure lobby there is a sense of smug moral superiority combined with a complete lack of empathy for any perspective that does not align with theirs. They have decided the the order of priorities and believe they have the absolute right to impose this on everyone else, so pretty much any sort of manipulation and distortions are justified. An approach like this will never work and simply fuels tensions. It is also undemocratic. Real and lasting change generally requires more time, thought and consultation. This is an inconvenient aspect of living in a democracy. This is not to say that the majority of us do not want to reduce pollution and car ownership but it is complex.

Not to mention an early advocate of mass CPZ

It is nothing short of scandalous that in a pandemic emergency services have not been properly involved in the consultation process.

I think that reference to being like a reformed alcoholic or born again christian is telling. There is a danger in being so zealous in your desire to reform or convert others you lose perspective. malumbu Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Mulumbu is a walker, cyclist, hitcher, public > transport user, motor cyclist and driver she/he > has a better perspective than most. She/he knows > lots about this issue and can reflect back over > the years on how her/his behaviour has changed due > to a mixture of wanting to improve the environment > and health, and some of the hard measures in > particularly parking charges. This makes her/him > a little like a reformed alcoholic or born again > Christian when it comes to this discussion. > She/he would love others to have a more informed > debate rather than just blather on about > Southwark, TfL and the Mayor. > > Here's a nice piece of work about making it easier > for commuters to Heathrow not to drive by the > nudge unit. This shows sadly that many people are > so wedded to their car dispelling the myth that > people would readily switch and emphasising the > need for hard interventions. Read it and discuss. > I'm sure you all can't be pretend experts on > stats and the like. > > https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen > t/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/5863 > 76/sustainable-travel-evaluation-of-low-cost-workp > lace-interventions.pdf

Malumbu is a cycling trainer, so probably not even-handed on any of this.

Rather reminds one of tactics going on over the pond right now! Divide and rule, fake news, lies and disinformation.

But other relevant stakeholders like businesses or emergency services not consulted from the start? legalalien Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That?s because they have. The council?s policy is > to consult disability and cycling groups on > traffic management orders that affect them. > Choosing one at random (I just put CPZ into the > search engine and this came up), the description > of the consultation process for the Croxted CPZ > is: > > > ?12. Notice was also given to non-statutory > consultees including: Transport for London, > Southwark Disablement Association, Southwark > Disability Forum, Southwark Cyclists, Living > Streets and London Travel Watch.? > > Policy at > https://www.southwark.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/t > raffic-orders-licensing-strategies-and-regulation/ > traffic-management-orders?chapter=2. Note that SC > also seem to be consulted on relevant experimental > orders where no advance public consultation is > required eg > http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/s91051 > /APPENDIX%201%20PECKHAM%20RYE.pdf > > > > first mate Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I do find it slightly disconcerting that reps > of > > Southwark Cycling have such intimate knowledge > of > > the ins and outs of recently introduced CPZs in > > the area. It does give the impression that they > > have somehow been party to stuff that mere > > residents have not been.

I do find it slightly disconcerting that reps of Southwark Cycling have such intimate knowledge of the ins and outs of recently introduced CPZs in the area. It does give the impression that they have somehow been party to stuff that mere residents have not been.

RRR, no need to look at it if you don?t want to but seems lots of people do. Lots of very useful info all in one place too.

Dogkennelhillbilly Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 60-70 cars at about 10am this morning. How does this address the points Spider69 has been making?