El Pibe

here you go

I think there's aprobably a natural assumption that everyone hates the mail, so its possible this thread is an attempt to redress some perceived inbalance or bias, though I'm not sure who is playing the Sancho Panza role in all of this ;)

Ashley Cole?

oh it was primary, yeah defintely no streaming, that's just indoctrinating them with innate sense of inferiority/superiority. A bit sick frankly.

it just sounds like they didn't have the resources/ability to teach you rather than streaming was the answer. "Sacrificing the smarter kids education can be destructive" I'm not quite sure what this means. My kids seem pretty bright, they're popular, they've good hearts. They'll do fine in life at whatever they choose to do, they don't need to fly high they just need to be happy (nad have moved out before they're 30). If they have good memories of school here, get enough qualifications under their belt to do something vaguely interesting or that they're passionate about and manage to make a couple of friends for life then job done. In fact given that this town is the polar opposite of flying high, i reckon just making it to cork, dublin, london madrid or somewhere that isn't new ross, is really the only ambition i harbour for them!!

Pretty much what carnell said. I went to a state school with limited streaming, ie in the sciences and languages, but not the arts and humanities. It wasn't a high performing school, but by and large as alumni we run the gamut of possibilities from dead, through prison, to doing alright to doing pretty well, whatever that means. The brighter kids from good backgrounds seem to all be ok regardless of hanging around with the oiks and certainly some of those from the estates have done really pretty well too. I liked that my (experimental as huguenot liked to call it) school did this, it offered intangible benefits that streaming and grammar/private models simply can't offer. A different experience, growing up with a much wider range of friends. I was probably the poster child for the theory, i was always sitting with the oiks, helping them if they found it difficult, encouraging them to want greater things than their parents had mapped out for them, and i in turn got to be cooler than my spoddy middle class background suggested, i got to hang around with nutters and girls out of my league and smoke drugs far too young....I'm not selling this am i. I get that in this day and age as bob suggests, money makes things self-selecting, but then the school was not great in terms of results or oxbridge candidates, but it had a clear ethos about wanting to create rounded human beings rather than churn numbers through tick boxes(not that you can churn wth a tick box). Yeah no idea what my point was any more....i'll get my coat.

"I want to see a world where all kids are higher than average." Gove?

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Western Oh very good - we play both types of music here...country AND western

very true of country, though that's not to say there aren't people trying to do intersting offshoots and using country influences in a good way. I'm not slating dance music, though the vast majority is pants. There is genuinely good stuff out there, but if it doesn't really progress much it's hard to keep your interest up i guess. That's why I'm a bit mystified why the reverence accorded this realease. I got it a bit more with My Bloody Valentine after all that had been 23 years, not 13, and Loveless was even more influential than ambient works, plus that sort of JD Salinger efect of doing nowt afterwards. But in the end it was, you know, basically the same stuff, just without bankrupting a record label.

although in fairness to our nige, he just didn't want them living next door did he.

nice parody ... at least i think its a parody

remember life's too short to get irked, i saw an inspirational message the other day in one of those inspirational messages that do the rounds on t'interweb, that I sooooooo love!!!!

To be fair it was *always* just the 'dance' equivalent of prog rock really wasn't it. Why I liked it!! It certainly wasn't edgy, unless you count King Crimson as edgy. It's just in 20 years you expect music to move on a bit. dance, EDM, IDM, electronica...wahtever, seems to be more staid than most. Some of the stuff you hear doesn't sedem to have moved on one iota from Shelley's in Longton frankly, I'm not sure there's another genre that does that, apart from maybe dull overproduced teen-focussed r&b, where artists have to up the ante by getting ever more weird, naked or weird and naked. It's like the musical equivalent of the Egyptian Empire....ooh egyptian empire...

Bravo, I too was expecting a hatchet job, but great work.

haterz will hate ;) here's something a bit more hirsute dad for you you should enjoy, can't comment on its analog[ue]ness though

he was grounbreaking 20 years ago, not entirely sure what's groundbreaking about this, I'd call it comfortable. Not sure anyone's breaking much ground these days. Try something like Inga Copeland if you want something that's trying to at the very least explore the nooks and crannies of music.

moderators with an onanistic sense of humour...gits!!!

yep anything that markets/anyone who farts on about detoxifiers makes me want to club seals. There is only one detoxifier, it's your fuffing liver!!!!!!! Beetroot/wheat grass/elf pills doesn't suck the toxins out YOUR LIVER DOES!!!!!!

are you protesting too much? ... porridge eh?!?!? *dons ironic bowler style kevlar hat*

typical french players with leggings under their shorts!! surprised he's not sporting mittens frankly

plus all artists' impressions should look like this

given we appear to be playing stevenage, the bbc artist seems to be toying with us!!!

So attempted a facebook cull this morning, convinced that it should really be about sharing stuff with actual friends and family rather than a disparate trail of old school aquaintances and colleagues from Companies past. You know, peoiple you might actually meet in real life at some point and might do stuff like care about and have that feeling reciprocated. I managed 8. rubbish!

yeah i think the tour is cumulative, but given it goes on for ever.......

"It's the most watched sporting event after the world cup and olympics." I thought it was the Tour de France, though paint drying would be wholly prefreable in my book....