Cyclemonkey

gsirett - no offence taken! I realise i have come slightly late to the debate. I only really found out about the CPZ reading notices in shop windows when wanderign around LL at Xmas. Reading the thread i'm not sure a CPZ woudl solve the issue as a wider London or even nationwide initiative is needed to tackle car dependency

gsiret - thanks - a useful summary. So if LL is not included why are the LL traders getting worried? I am astonished people drive to East Dulwich Rail Station - have they not heard of buses? (or indeed their own legs - saves quite a bit on the expensive gym membership) I accept that people in London will always need to drive whether due to their work (anti social hours, carrying tools etc..) becuase of disabilty or large numbers of children etc.. But i think a lot of people in london see driving as the default option when it really isn't that difficult to cut back or even eliminate car usage in many areas of London. We walk, cycle, bus or train everywhere. Use online delivery for all bulky items and use streetcar/streetvan for those times when you just need a car.

first mate that's interesting? i suppose there are complex issues: 1. people who agree who want to park outside their hosue and resent visotrs using "their space" 2. People who don't agree because they don't want to pay to park outside their house and also visitors who want to be able to park BrandNewGuy - interesting question - personally as a non driver parkigng isn't a problem for me but i always assume it is given the amount motorists winge about it! :) - do you think that there is a isn't a problem with parking here? i can't claim to know anything about the residents parking situation, however as a regular cyclist and pedestrian on LL i definitely think there is a growing parking/traffic problem there.

Wow - controversial subject!1 I live in ED but am happy to say as a non car owning tenant i have little persoanl opinion on the subject. However walking along lordship lane yesterday i saw that clearly something has to be done - the parking and traffic situation is ridiculous (as well as the dangerous driving, bad parking, lack of decent road crossing once you get further away from the pedestrian crossing by the EDT. As a non driver the one thing that always amuses me is motorists who compain about problems (lack of parking, congestion etc..) without realising that they are part of the problem - it is always some other drivers fault right? So i suppose i have two questions: 1. for those against the CPZ - uif we admit that parking is an issue in East Dulwich - if this isn't the answer what is? 2. For traders - would a CPZ really affect business that much? As soemone who used to work in planning and town centre policy i understand and occasionally agree with arguements traders make for more parking and against pedestrianisation schemes. However Lordship Lane is not a major shopping area - it is a local high street which probably has a radius of around 2- 3 miles max for people. Furthermore the main offer of shops and services sell stuff that does not need a car to transport. With the amount of trains and busesin he area do many people honestly need to drive there? Comming from the countryside one of my main loves about living in inner london is i no longer need to manitain and run a car - a huge financial burden lifted from me. i would be interested in some honest answers from people who do drive to go shopping in LL as to why they do and how far they have travelled from and whether they would stiop shopping there if they were not able to drive (BTW do not use the "if you had kids" argument - my partner and i have been bringing up a child in inner london for the last 10 years with no car - we are fitter and have a child who does not mind walking!)

Oh i would agree with you there!! there are many many bad road users in London - motorists, bus driver, cyclists and pedestrians! I am just amused that many motorists in London are the cause of the very problems they compalina bout eg congestion, lack of parking etc.. etc..

i'm with James here a CPZ would help you as residents would get parkign permits! I understand people objections to them but as a non driver i am astonished how many people probably drive to LL to shop who don't need to really - it's just becuase it's easier - ever tried cyclign along LL on a Saturday with all the parking and manoevering that goes on along a very busy road - i was nearly taken out last week by soemone tryign to reverse out into the road by the CO OP in a vehicle more suited for the prairies of America than a small inner london suburb. i know some people do need cars for their lifestyles but seriously some people moaning about parking fines, traffic and parking need to ahev a word with themselves and be honest about whether they really need to use their car as much in what is a very crowded inner London suburb with really quite good public transport.

This could be just a rumour but i heard it was going to be a takeaway pizza place - poss called Papa John - is that a chain? I was having a think about what kind of shop i would want seeing as i live on Solway Rd - however i can't think of anything i need that i can't get either in Peckham or Lordship lane

Hi it was me that started the thread about Morleys. Some of the trouble was localised to our block of flats - our block backs onto that row of shops and we have had some issues but hopefully we have resolved those with the shops manager and their landlord The wider issue that i have found out today they do not have a valid late night food license. I am concerned that this show a lack of respect for residents the area that they thought they could open until 1 - 2am without the appropriate license and also residents have not had a proper say in this type of shop opening in their area with the attendant issues such as litter, noise and anti social behaviour. i shall be makign representations to the council once they apply for a license but i would be interested in Southwarks licensing policy and if it is accepstable practice to allow late night food takeaways to open up next to 24 convenience stores in a predominatly residential area.