*Bob*

Perhaps I have explained poorly. Up till now, I knocked something up on iWeb, then paid for hosting somewhere else to host it. Jobsagoodun. I will continue to pay for the hosting (with the same provider probably) but want (to buy) another program to make the website in. Something easy like iWeb (and for a Mac, obvs) but with a bit more functionality, not a lot - rollovers, responsive pages, an ftp download area - but that sort of thing. What I don't want it a combined make-your-website-and-host-it-with-us-package because I'd like to keep them separate and not tie the two together. Thank you kindly for the responses.

Dunno.. but suspect both those places try to entice you in with the promise of a free website builder but then you have to pay for their hosting. If you stop paying for the hosting you probably lose the website as well. But thanks for the suggestions anyway!

As I say, I'd like to buy a standalone application/program rather than those sorts of packages.

Any web-type folks out there that can offer a pointer or two? I've been googling but it's hard to see through the marketing/sales trees to see the particular bit of wood I'm looking for. I have a nuts-and-bolts website I made and update with iWeb which has done the job years now - and is a pieces of piss to use. Can anyone recommend something 'up' from iWeb that is just as piss easy to use but offers a bit more functionality? Rollovers, responsive pages, possibly a basic ftp download area.. that sort of thing, but drag n drop like iWeb, no coding or any of that stuff. I'd prefer a one-off application I buy rather than one of the monthly 'lease' affairs. Thanks FORUMMERS!

Hopefully the rules will be interpreted as Corbyn requiring 50 PLP nominations to stand - and Labour will subsequently implode. Perhaps then - out of the ashes - something less risible will eventually emerge.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I look at Labour at the moment and am so releived > they are nowhere near power. Corbyn in his bunker > surrounded by his fellow stalinists refusing to > talk to his MPS who represent 8 million voters not > his 200,000 ?3 trots! Then I heard Eagle on R4 > this morning....bloody hell I'd rather have > Corbyn! Angela Eagle.. I find myself doing a little cringe every time she appears. Woeful. Clearly no-one serious is willing to sacrifice themselves on the bonfire while 'Corbynmania' plays itself out. We won't see anyone serious pop-up until Jeremy has finished his rock star tour of Freshers Balls, depleted his loudhailer batteries, run the Labour bus into a brick wall - and tanked at the (real) polls.

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So, on that note, when is our next cyber battle > due to commence? I reckon we could top this thread > length with a much less controversial topic. What > do you reckon? Can you do next Thursday? I'll say something about focaccia and we can take it from there.

Four pages - good going. This is a lame thread - on a comparatively tame internet forum. Best course of action imo - leave leave threads to sink as they deserve rather than bless them with four pages.

Farage is a bell-end but I don't find myself angry with him personally. He's a reflection of everything that was quietly lurking in Britain all along; apathy, fear, envy, disappointment. Nige didn't create them - he was the conduit channelling it all - riding the crest of fortuitous timing and poor judgment made on the other side. It's just a shame that so many of his supporters can somehow reconcile their victory along sovereignty lines, despite knowing full well that for every one of them with noble motivation there's someone else ticking the leave box who just thinks there are 'too many pakis', or whatever.

Farage. What does he do? He doesn't design or make anything. He doesn't build anything. He doesn't grow anything. He doesn't offer a service. He doesn't fix anything, or indeed even offer any advice as to how a thing might be fixed. He spends fifteen years stamping on something - until it breaks. And then he buggers off, leaving everyone else to clear the shit up. If that's someone who deserves some sort of 'due', well.. I'm out.

What about the DILFs? Equal perving opportunity for all.

edcam Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If I were in Cathy Newman's shoes Now that is creepy

Jules-and-Boo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I can't get my head round his role in the Remain > campaign - have yet to draw a conclusion on his > reticence to get on board. I think there can only be one conclusion. He was unable to reconcile his own personal conflicts on the matter and come out effectively on one side and LEAD - for a greater good. A greater good that - bizarrely - his most vocal supporters are now 'devastastated' (Facebook language) about. That's what being a leader is - showing leadership - when it actually matters. Instead, he put a lampshade on his head and stood in the corner until it all went away.

Jeremy's supporters have an undeniable zeal but at the end of the day they don't get an extra vote for enthusiasm. And for every one of them shouting on the street there are at least two sitting quietly at home who will never give him their vote. I don't even think he, or even a great many of his supporters care if he can win or not. They're the latest in the long tradition of that uncompromising element of Labour left for whom 'the glorious failure' is enough of a victory.

Jeremy seems to have misunderstood the nature of a yes/no referendum. There was no box to stay '70% in'.

robbin Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > However, I do think it's a bit harsh criticising > him for his referendum stance. Yes, I agree he > ought to have campaigned harder for his party line > (having agreed to the party line). You are being very, very generous there!

All this ?he was only 70% in favour so it?s ok he was lukewarm on the EU? is ridiculous. The vote was a binary choice. If you?re 70% favour of something and the choice is binary, you do the right thing, get your thumb out of your ass and campaign for a yes like it means something. He hid on the EU vote. He hides on climate change. There will be more. His main preoccupation is to go from rally to rally preaching to the converted and avoiding anyone who might ask him any difficult questions or stray into any area of policy where he feels he is not on safe ground. How will this approach work in the Top Job, when that job largely consists of facing-up to and engaging with people who don?t agree with you and ask you difficult questions? It won?t. I don?t deny his grassroots legitimacy, but you simply cannot lead a party without the majority support of the parliamentary MPs - who, guess what - also have legitimacy, elected by their constituents. And from up and down the country - not just a metropolitan clique as Corbynistas would have us believe. So Jeremy sticks it out, gets elected again, the party officially divides: I think that?s where we should be headed. The only thing left to decide is which side gets to keep the name ?Labour?.

IMO he's rather more slippery than his supporters are prepared to admit (for Lo! they are blinded by His Light) - but it's a different sort of slippery to what people are used to, so it's going under the radar. New kind of politics = new kind of slippery.

rupert james Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Was this not Adolph Hitler's plan? 'Yes' - if you leave out the desire to achieve it by way of the largest global conflict and associated genocide yet to engulf mankind. (By which I mean.. 'no')

Is this an unfinished 'Eastenders' script?

My Gran was basically a Nazi - but we never let it get it the way of a nice Christmas.

Victory! "Speech! Speech!.."

Lordship 516 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hey..we all ought to be on the same > side..Remainers & Leavers ...to get this resolved If there's one thing this shambolic referendum debacle should have taught everyone, it's that language and presentation have power and consequence. Everyone on both sides has spent the last x weeks throwing verbal petrol over each other (though strangely only imagining their own petrol to be harmless and in the best interest, not like the nasty vile stuff coming the other way.) I guess this was kind of what I was thinking, not just being a pedant.

Yep, let's go with histrionic comparison. Because God knows we need more of those right now.

Lordship 516 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Apologies if you couldn't quite understand a > metaphor... Apologies if you don't understand the definition of a metaphor and how to use one.