Metallic

northernmonkey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > How was there a choice to turn up first mate? Was > the protest advertised in advance? I expect you didn't hear about it because you are too young and physically fit.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Those who are in favour of removing traffic from > some streets, aren't saying it because they want > to harm anyone. Neither do I believe those who are > against LTNs want to cause harm to anyone. It is > possible to have different, but honestly held, and > well intentioned views. > > But when people say it's fine to strand someone on > a bike in the middle of two lanes of traffic, > rather than just move your bags and let people > turn off a main road safely, it's hard to see any > good intentions in that frankly. However you were approaching the closed off area, across traffic, the area to the Dulwich Village side of the blocks is not driven on and you and your children could have waited there and shouted 'please move'. I know the junction well and there is no way you couldn't have done that.

AlexandHelenC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Can't actually believe that people are saying it's > cool to funnel traffic onto roads that kids need > to walk along to get to school and nursery every > day so that the most privileged people in the > borough don't have other people's cars driving > along their streets. But each to their own. As long as the people who post pro stuff on here, and who live in Court Lane, Calton Avenue, Melbourne Grove and Derwent Grove, keep posting about their children and the danger they face, no one will give them the time of day in our community. They do not care about East Dulwich Grove or Croxted Road, as long as they can quickly steer off in to the idylls of traffic free roads whilst taking their children to school. Sorry it is inequitable.

Look we are not going to agree on the demo. I do agree the elderly participants should have been off the two roads that cyclists use. What I think is laughable is the idea this was all blocked by people, and if you can't steer through then it is a shame. And as for the car horns, I think when I was watching the drivers, plus P4 driver and an ambulance driver, they were responding to the placards they were reading and no one was there doing anything other than waving at pippers.

northernmonkey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > People who disagree with your views on a public > discussion forum are not 'trolling'. As we all know, this is not the case. But hey, we all know who we are don't we!!?

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yep, a small number of idiots blocking the right > turn for cyclists with their bags and placards. > > ?Open the roads? they say, whilst obstructing > their use for the many families passing through. > 🤦‍♂️ So did we all see you at some point? I was there for a bit.

Heartblock, northernmonkey is basically saying you are lying, I hope you realise that.

hpsaucey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Abe_froeman Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > More trolling from Malumbu . > > > > It's perfectly on point to note that the closed > > roads in east Dulwich do not create a cycle > > network or route and simply link up one > > dangerously congested and polluted main road to > > another. And to point that isn't safe or > welcoming > > for children. > > > You're seriously calling Malumbu's comments > trolling???? > Cambridge Dictionary definition: 'the act of > leaving an insulting message on the internet in > order to annoy someone:' > > Seems to me 'trolling' is slung around far too > often when someone disagrees with another's > opinion. > > HP Abe is correct.

Abe_froeman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I wouldn't let my children cycle through the East > Dulwich LTNs, no. > > Firstly they don't actually go anywhere and > secondly at either end of all of them there are > now very busy main roads blocked with traffic and > angry bus and lorry drivers And little LTN dwellers chalking on the road. Ah sweet.

Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Metallic - what will happen next is whatever the > council wants to happen. They seem hell bent on > ignoring and depositioning any opinion or view > that differs from their own! We will have to see! Following the 'war' on the many twitter accounts going for it on both sides. And Dulwich people are supposed to be so nice............

northernmonkey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > No personal interest whatsoever - just not > accepting that parents will stop in the road and > push nursery age children out to go to > nursery..., > > > Also questioning where all these parents will be > parking given CPZ around that area. > > Were you all up in arms when the Tessa Jowell > Health Centre was granted planning permission for > so much on site parking. Blue badge and ambulance > and then very limited other parking would have > seemed more sensible, but as it is its a major > contributor to traffic along that stretch. Don't you live on one of the roads that will be clogged with dropping off parents?

We are all talking on part knowledge. The sad fact is that all our experiences and opinions are based on what we read in this part disclosure, what we gleaned from people who went to different meetings, and yes, anecdotes. I read tweets that say the traffic is awful at such and such place, then immediately someone says no it wasn't when I was there. legalalien is right, Southwark will have to disclose all the material they have not released as promised. Meanwhile, the great noise of banging about in Calton Avenue has begun, no traffic management plan in effect and living where I live can hear all the work starting up. No free passage for the lorries to go through on the original route because the junction is closed. DulwichCentral, what is going to happen next to our once lovely area?

DuncanW Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What should we glean from that in relation to > LTNs? > > > Metallic Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > northernmonkey Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > I think thats a perception that One Dulwich > are > > > pushing and may be true for some people, but > > > similarly know lots of older people who find > it > > > much improved. These issues aren't black and > > > white. > > > > You and your anecdotes. > > Just waited for a cyclist as there was space to > > cross after him. He tutted at me then > proceeded > > through the red light which was on green for > > pedestrians, and rode in to Calton Ave/Court > Lane. All these posts are anecdotal. No one has any data. or proof of anything, however when the cyclist went through the lights on green for pedestrians, fortunately I was with someone else who saw the blatant disregard for law.

northernmonkey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A small selection of older people who were > incentivised to join a council call made a number > of claims. I totally agree they are real concerns > for those people. This doesn't mean its a real > concern for all older people - or indeed that > they're representative. The concerns need to be > considered, assessed and if adjustments need to be > made they should be. That doesn't mean that all > comments made apply to all older people. You are so patronising.

northernmonkey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think thats a perception that One Dulwich are > pushing and may be true for some people, but > similarly know lots of older people who find it > much improved. These issues aren't black and > white. You and your anecdotes. Just waited for a cyclist as there was space to cross after him. He tutted at me then proceeded through the red light which was on green for pedestrians, and rode in to Calton Ave/Court Lane.

We need more public transport.It is simple. instead of TfL fiddling about on roads for cyclists now that they have done their worst could they please turn their attention to area-linking buses and to car sharing journeys, more school buses and get the trains back to normal.

johnhinton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sorry Metallic, I meant to be light-hearted, not > hard-hearted. Souls or soil being carted around is > heart-breaking too. Will it be handled well? I > very much doubt it Well anyway.

johnhinton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So many souls being dragged away by big lorries; > no wonder my heart sinks when I see them. How awful. I make a typo and you make fun but do you know what? Living with extra construction traffic every day wherever it ends up going - even up my road, will be soul-destroying.

Thank you Glemham for that bit of news. So that means big lorries taking soul out and delivering construction materials, what a great Winter we can all look forward to. And will they be allowed to "go through the cameras" or are they to be restricted to five hours a day, as construction cannot be pre-8am or after 5.30pm. Has anyone heard from any official about how these lorries ware going to get to the building site?

Another Southwark Council debacle where they claim they asked for local opinion, didn't hear anything so went ahead. A friend of mine sent me the film of the trees being cut down. Heartbreaking. It is a load of tosh that they are building there.

Even if councillors have spoken to businesses it doesn't mean that the quality of the exchange is any use at all. I doubt it was. By the way. Be prepared for the great "we are not going to change anything except for allowing emergency vehicles through the closed junction" announcement.

I saw the turn out for the closed junction. A couple of dozen people sitting defiantly in the drizzle. I am wondering when the council will re-open them junction for at least emergency vehicles. They are not very Healthy Streets if you are waiting for an ambulance.

So what do we all think about no data from the Southwark Consultation? Do you think there is an element of "cooking the books" going on?

northernmonkey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There is a separate thread on the nursery, but > this conversation spans from tht tip out small > kids and drive off, drop off takes a while. Exactly. But this thread is about the roads and they are already too full thanks to ED closures.

northernmonkey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My point is not that all children have attended > for all days. But that there have been many months > of full capacity (years 7-11) over the past > academic year to understand whether dropping off > on tell and MG South is an issue (haven?t heard > anything to suggest it was) so it?s not clear why > it would suddenly become an issue next academic > year And if the mega nursery goes ahead you will have that to add to the drop offs. All those pro LTNers in Melbourne, Derwent and Elsie have to learn to share if this is the case. Please don't suggest nursery users will not use their cars.