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After gsirett (i think) posted a warning note about how Barnet were all complaining about their CPZ and how the rates had increased, i emailed the main committee memeber to ask: despite your clear problems, would you prefer to keep the CPZ or go back to not having one?.. and they replied: "The answer to your question is that in the main we have been happy with the parking restrictions as we would not be able to park at all without it as we live near an underground station. However, we found it sufficient when it was in force for one hour daily to stop commuters. That way, we did not have to pay the exorbitant price of visitor vouchers six days a week (?4 for any length of time). For all those belating on that is doesn't work......Just saying.......

A lot about how badly it is run, increase charges but no mention of wanting or wishing that the CPZ was removed though is there gsirett.......

gsirett - why is is James's responsibility to flag up to you a property development that has been in the public domain for ages and has also been discussed on this very forum? Also now that we have established that the development company are a) not funding the CPZ and b) most probably be against a CPZ Perhaps you could explain how you feel it would have a material impact on the data presented when it hasn't been built yet and the residents will not be entitled to apply for CPZ permits Answer.. it doesn't Unless of course you think the data should take into consideration any potential changes to residential property in the ED are over say the next 25 years which might have an impact? It doesn't

oh dear... i think someone (few of you) owe Mr Barber an apology...

pgnf - so what's your point?

when i lived in Clapham CPZ you just called Lambeth Council and got permission - no problemo

firstmate... that may be true but what is 100% certain is that thre isn't a huge uproar of people demanding the removal of the scheme because it hasn't worked in HH Which is what a number of people on this thread have predicted would happen here "be careful what you wish for" "there will be no turning back...." "the end of the world is nigh" etc type of comments. On Melbourne grove at the moment we have parking restriction signs up (as the council haven't removed them yet despite the parking restrictions having ended ages ago) - this has meant that commuters have not parked on the street whilst us canny residents in the know have... parking has been blissful, easy and perhaps a real insight into what living in a CPZ would be like.

Katie1997 "I personally don't see how the CPZ could have anything but a detrimental effect on local businesses which I'd hate to see disappear" You think that a few roads near the station which prevent parking between 12-2 on a week day ONLY is going to bring down Lordship Lane? Herne Hill unless i am mistaken has not become a ghost town since the introduction of the CPZ

why are so mnay of you who are against the CPZ afraid to just write: "I don't want it because it will prob mean that i can't park my own car outside my own house" Instead of hiding behind ridiculous statements like "it's not good for the community", "it will hurt local trade" - Anyone got any evidence of trade impact... Nope - Anyone got any evidence of impact on the community - Nope You're all just NIMBY - don't be ashamed of it, man up people and admit it

gsirett "I know 99% of businesses in east dulwich have asked for this not to go ahead" Can we actually stick to real factual evidence rather than ridiculous Dail Mail type headlines You don't know 99% of businesses are against it, you haven't asked all of then you are just making wild assumptions.

bonaome "The consultation is taking place 9 months after the survey data was collected, and it just happens to coincide with the Grove Vale road works which have suspended all parking on Melbourne Grove, significantly increasing the parking pressure on the surrounding streets at the time of the consultation" Do you REALLY think the council are clever or well organised enough to pull such a thing off? (no offence James B) Gsirett - now i am totally lost with your argument. So the surplus cash pays to make our roads better, less pot holes damage to cars etc and you somehow think that is a bad thing...??!?!

"Make a note of the license plate number and report him to the police." can't believe i am actually asking this but just out of interest, for what offence/ crime did you have in mind?

Bit late but only just logged on. LAst night AVJ posted a claim that at 9pm there was no parking spaces were available on Derwent, elsie or Mebourne grove hence commuter problem is flawed.. AVJ... you might want to note that parking is currently suspended on Melbourne Grove so there are spaces galore available all day and all night at present (aprat from the odd naughty law breaking resident!) So in short, you are talking utter b*llox to try and create a case

Ahh - so one of you against the CPZ finally admits there is a problem....!

gsirey - your concern for those of us who are currently affected by the parking problem is truly touching......

Cheers Bonaome just emailed all below to tell them what a long overdue and brilliant idea the CPZ is. James Barber Jonathan Mitchell, 020 7525 2839 / 07903 967911 [email protected] Councillor Rosie Shimell, 020 7525 3488, [email protected] [email protected] and [email protected] and [email protected] In all cases cc: [email protected]

I find it very amusing that a number of people on this thread are objecting to the introduction of the CPZ because they live near by and worry about the knock on effect are also disuputing that there is any issue with commuter parking.... Surely that is slighly contradictory?!?!!? Unless of course they think that those in the CPZ zone will all park outside it to avoid paying.... in which case they will not agree to the CPZ, we will not get it and therefore you can all stop worrying. Wino - I'm not sure what road you have been walking down in the morning but it can't have been Melbourne Grove - 3 spaces free everytime during commuter time - Sorry but that is utter rubbish or you work weekends?!

Penguin68 did you honestly just write this utter disgusting garbage? "It's not far to walk from the estates where the muggers live to get to the rich pickings the CPZ will offer them soon"

RIS2011 - getting signatures from roads near the CPZ makes sense, but seriously gowlett, Keston.... i mean why don't you drum up some opinions in Nunhead, Forest Hill area as well. These roads can't seriously believe they will be effected by the introduction of the CPZ near ED station... unless of course they drive to the station every morning..... oh hang on...

bloonoo - incorrect, unless you are holding your children's party between 12-2 (one of the proposed options) on a weekday.... which would be a bit strange wouldn't it?

Clearly their target audience is designed to get this through as easily as possible and generate revneue (i was however surprised at the cost of permit, i expected it to be higher) however they do have to draw the line somewhere otherwise every man and his dog will have an opinion, most of which will be personal nature rather than based on knowledge or experience. The survey does offer 2 possible options (10-12) and (all day) so there is some room for discussion The near by roads will unfortunately probably suffer some knock on effect at which point they will also ask for and welcome an extension to the CPZ zone (which will kinda leave you with little doubt there is a need i would have thought?), this will continue until the zone covers more than a 5 min walk to the station - at which point people will deffo not bother driving. Parking is horrendous on Melbourne Grove during the day

Parking is a nightmare, this consultation is long overdue however thankfully it will not be a long drawn out process. If it gets the go ahead then it will be implemented by March - can't come soon enough for this Melbourne Grove resident. I do feel for the roads near by although i have a sneaky suspicion that a number of the commuter cars are as a result of just how convenient it currently is, being forced to park further away will prob result in most of them choosing to walk/ catch a bus

Last week the police posted a letter asking for witnesses for the car vandalism on Ashbourne Grove / Melbourne Grove - does anyone have the contact details please of the relevant policewoman managing it? Some w&&&ker slashed the tyres on my car last night - Melbourne Grove

BNG - sounds a nightmare, should you wish to intoduce a parking scheme let me know and i'll vote in favour Can i count on your vote for our proposed one?

i think then we can have a balanced discussion. I have absolutely no desire to "potentially" solve the problem on my doorstep at the detriment to my fellow ed neighbours 3 roads down. Reason being i would not want people to go through the issues that we face On the flip side though, the people who are outside the proposed zone at the moment and do not understand or face the issues we do, can't hide behind "you live near a station so you should expect it" argument as that is just nonsense. There needs to be some appreciation that it is a major issue for us and one that we want to try and tackle