Louisa

Spot on jelly. Self-absorbed. Trendy claphamites snobbishly shunning the existing culture of a working-class neighbourhood and turning it into something which reflects their lifestyle. ED has not been allowed to integrate this changing culture, it has been forced to accept it as a new version of it's former self. People not caring about pricing out old family businesses, as long as they get their organic produce shop. When was the last time you saw one of these people frequenting a successful old school business like Farmer's or le moulin et al? And the whole "it's ok to pick daffodils because they are cheap" reflects badly upon society. My mother, a staunchly working class Peckham girl would have NEVER picked a flower from a park, she would e horrified, and we grew up with nothing to our names, but we wouldn't steal. You just don't do it. And to see fairly well off people thinking it's ok to do so is so deeply saddening. Louisa.

Don't take pictures and potentially provoke a reaction! If your instinct kicks in, as it should do with any animal, then do the right thing and call the police. At worst the person will be questioned and if thought to harmless let on their way. It's common sense surely? All this wishy-washy crap about thinking the best in people is coming from those least likely to ever be attacked or at risk of attack because they tower above the rest of us and hold themselves in a certain way, a vulnerable mother and child doesn't have such a luxury does she? Louisa.

Many local Claphamites claim to be supportive of independent businesses and would rather spend their money in one of the trendy chain restaurants of the village or LL than supper a decent local place like Le Moulin, many wouldn't even set foot inside it. It's just pure snobbery a lot of the time. Of course choice is a great thing, but my argument is choice has been rail roaded around here! Louisa.

I've been incapable of rational thought for years, especially since battling with the hearts and minds of the intelligencia on here! But I'm like a rat up a drain pipe when it comes to fighting the corner for the old school ED'ers in their battle with the Clapham invaders with their love of all things organic and expensive. And yes they are victims of peer pressure! Louisa.

It was a decent independently owned restaurant, but because it didn't 'fit in' with te image the new middle class residents wanted to promote of ED, it failed to survive the onslaught of drastically changing trends. Like many of the peculiarities of middle class folk, they pick and choose which 'indy' shops fit in with their remit, and equally re same with chain stores/restaurants. A real shame, a real local business. But oh well, as long we have gourmet burgers and organic cat litter who cares eh? Long live Clapham! Louisa.

You know it makes sense e-dealer :)-D Louisa.

the-e-dealer Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well you can hardly be working class if you have > time to waste on here writing drivel! At what point did I point out being working class? And drivel, judging by your previous posts on this and other topics you may well want to take a leaf out of your own book! Louisa.

*Bob* as much as it pains me to constantly reflect upon the many naive traits of the middle classes, I feel as though I have been doing them a service since 2007. Who else would publicy shame a yummy mummy for picking daffodils on goose green? Or feel the urge to lay down the facts about the reality of London being a nasty place? Some, not all, of said community would happily see the demise of Le Moulin with not a jot of consideration for the many committed local residents such as myself who have salves tirelessly over decades to promote it's very existence, thaw supporting a local business, not proping up 'selective' independent traders just because they sell organic pork chops. Rant over. Louisa.

Unlike those above, I promote people to be cautious of strangers and always on your toes when your human instinct kicks in and you suspect someone of being threatening or ever so slighty dodgy. Many of the middle-class people in ED, with the greatest respect, tend to live in a fantasy wet behind the ears world where e regime is lovely and you won't come across harm if your nice to people etc - this is London, it's been a vile, corrupt, suspicious and crime ridden city for centuries, it's not the home-counties, always be on your guard. Louisa.

I love it when my old threads from 3 years ago are rehashed by someone else. When I pointed out to people that daffodil picking was an absolute disgrace I was informed I was being ridiculous. I openly outer a lady daffodil picking with her toddler on GG and made her feel rather ashamed at the absolute selfish attitude that a publicly paid for display for everyones enjoyment was being recklessly removed by ignorant middle class people who thought it was an openly acceptable thing to do. It's stealing, it's morally corrupt, and more importantly if you want daffs go and plant them yourself or buy them at homemade. Selfish buggers. Louisa.

I am sick of people (women especially) being made to feel threatened or uneasy in their neighbourhood. How dare anyone make someone feel this way. I really hope that these two incidents are reported to the police and I shall remain vigilant as ever. I've been followed once or twice but I always make a point of being very vocal and confrontational so as to make them realise I won't be messed with - fortunately this hasn't happened to me in the ED earlier, more often than not Peckham surprise surprise, but wherever it happens and however minor you think it is please report it to the non-emergency number. Louisa.

Barred Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Louisa your a bundle of fun you should have locked > yourself in and combed your armpits Comb my own armpit hair? Do you think my name is Camilla or something? That's what I have a husband for you muppet! >:D< Louisa.

> > ----- > > > Hmm clearly not very good at reading are you? ;-) > Nick's referencing the electoral population of the > country whereas you're referencing the number of > votes cast. The reasons why voter turnout > generally hovers between a paltry 60 and 70% is > probably a topic for another thread. Well in that case what does that have to do with democracy? My argument is about people being democratically chosen by the people, if some people of voting age choose not to vote them surely that is their loss at not taking the opportunity to change things? My point is we cannot change the monarchy even if we wanted to! We can change our government. If he chooses not to explain himself or go off topic that isn't my problem it is his! Louisa.

Nick1962 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > less than 50% of the poulation voted this mob in > that run the country and yet 64% of the > population(Mori 2009), would, if asked, vote to > keep the monarchy... you're in the minority > Louisa!! I'm getting my bunting out now and > painting my face with the red white and blue of my > National Flag! Hmm clearly not very good at maths are you? 36.1% voted Tory and 23% voted Lib Dem at the last election. That adds upto 59.1% of the total number of votes cast in favour of the two parties who formed the government. Of course it isn't ideal, but at least people got a say in who was elected on their behalf. And most important of all, we can kick them out if they're doing a crap job. Our head of state, the monarch is unelected and we never have that right to go to the ballot box to choose a new one, we are therefore not a true democracy! I think monarchies of all description are parasites, and this is why so many states around the world have chosen to remove them and all that they stand for. It is an outdated institution that most who support it fail to come up with a legitimate argument to support it's democratic credentials. Jamaica wants rid, the Aussies will be next, but us lot in the UK seem determined to live in the past, no wonder Scotland wants out! Louisa.

Good excuse to stay inside and watch re-runs of loose women me thinks. Louisa.

I'd sooner be in Tessa's seat than Harriet, at least she has done something productive for London over these past few years with the Olympic stuff. Harriet seems to be a trophy labour MP for a seat that will remain red good or bad until the end of time. Louisa.

Oh great more hanger-on family members of our unelected head of state coming to pick up a few flowers and look busy, whilst cussing chaos to everyone local with road closures and such like. Don't you love living in a democracy? :)) Louisa.

thenjericho Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "It is not the strongest of the species that > survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. > It is the one that is the most adaptable to > change." - Charles Darwin ?Nobody can go back and start a new beginning, but anyone can start today and make a new ending.? -Maria Robinson Louisa.

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I didn't know about the previous history of some of the buildings behind the shop fascias along Rye Lane so this is extremely interesting to me. It is my understanding that this building isn't protected so the developers can change the fascia of the building without too much objection. Starbucks have shown interest in taking up the lease on the retail space currently occupied by The Bun House following the development of the building. Louisa.

Perhaps not relevant to most of you, and probably not overly significant to most people in ED, but for those of you who have grown up locally, the demise of yet another staunchly local, traditional, and predominantly working class public house made me reflect a little this evening. The Bun House on Peckham High Street has been a prominent and historical local building since it's founding as a public house in 1898. The pubs name reflects it's former incarnation throughout most of the 19th century as a local bakery. My father was a regular attendee, as was my grandfather going back over many years. I know many people on ED who would rate The Bun House as a local institution ranking alongside the likes of the EDT, the White horse, the gowlett and of course the now defunct oglander arms. Like many traditional south London institutions, kennedys sausages included, yet another sad death nail has been hammered into the heart of the traditional working class community. It sometimes feels as though home isn't home anymore, as much as I love so much about the positives of gentrification, I wish it could sit alongside other cultures and traditions rather than unknowingly contribute to their demise. Of course other factors are at play too, demand and supply, tough economic times, changing social habits et al. Anyhow, the closure isn't just the death of a pub, or a rather successful art gallery (which resides out the back), but for some, a way of life. R.I.P Bun House, you will be sorely missed :)-D

With sue on this. Blatant wind up. Why would you need two large Asda or Lidl stores with a mile of one another? Not forgetting the other one on Old Kent RD! I think te argument about Waitrose is more the fact that they have no prescence in this part of town,, it's not about value for money or anything else. Louisa.

Ok I can't resist but respond to this thread. Twirling I agree with your sentiments above about a seemingly pointless thread revival. However, if this individual is approaching anyone, and touching them without their consent, and is clearly expressing an off form of behaviour, it is of course best to contact the local police on a non-emergency number so that said person can be cautioned and/or handed over to the appropriate authorities to deal with any mental health issues that may be the cause of this behaviour. Either way, it's best inform the police just incase a further escalation of the inappropriate behaviour occurs. Louisa.

Apparently, some ice cream vans locally have been taking advantage of changing demographics and now also provide organic vegetables, stuffed olives and different types of flavoured expensive breads. Great innit? (tu) Louisa.

Knock down the Iceland? Great idea! Maybe put up a 40 story multimillion pound skyscraper in it's place with enough room for a Waitrose, mini Harrods and a few luxury penthouse apartments, maybe even whack a direct tube service to Oxford circus (no stops along route). Don't you love living in SE22? :-) Louisa.