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I'd have to add to Cora's point that if you feel strongly about one school or the other it might be wise to only tick the box about first choice for one school. I suspect that after a few years the Charter catchment around the hospital site would tighten and many families in ED would be out of catchment. If I thought the Charter bid was going to solve the lack of provision in ED I'd support both bids.

Katgod, if you scroll back to page 17 of this thread at the bottom of the page mariababe posted a document which explains the way Habs do banding in their lewisham schools quite well. Several pages of discussion about banding follow that post. Please remember that Habs can do admissions differently in southwark in response to consultation. Feel free to email questions / suggestions as suggested above or come in person tomorrow.

I'm sure if you email them they will take you off their list. Thanks for posting that reply. Makes interesting reading. Habs haven't made a final commitment to banding by the way, they are genuinely consulting on the admissions procedure. If they are the successful bidder they will consult again on admissions. I've been assured by the Habs project team that banding doesn't lead to local children being denied a place, especially for a popular school where local demand is likely to be high. The intention of banding is to ensure a comprehensive intake.

Great, see you tomorrow I hope.

In case it's of interest, the attached is a 'heat map' showing where the supporters of our campaign live. The yellow star is the Dulwich Hospital site. The vast majority of supporters live East of LL / Peckham Rye and the outskirts of Nunhead. These are the areas not currently served by a co-ed secondary school.

Hi MsMaz I'm on the Parent Steering Group supporting the Haberdashers bid. You may know that the steering group is recommending to Habs that they use a nodal point from which to measure distance for admissions purposes. The nodal point would be to the East of Lordship Lane. This would mean that the school could meet local need for a co-ed secondary despite the Dulwich Hospital site being a little further West of where we ideally need it to be. Habs can only go with this option if its what sufficient numbers of our supporters want. You might want to give feedback to the consultation if you haven't already, saying that you would support a nodal point which would allow the school catchment to meet local need to the East of LL. The feedback form is here: http://www.haaf.org.uk/New-East-Dulwich-Secondary-School-1 And / or come along to the Habs drop-in evening at Goose Green school tomorrow (Thursday 25th) at Goose Green school from 6.30 to 8pm. You can ask as many questions as you like and submit any feedback you want to give. Flyer attached. By the way, I also live on Peckham Rye and am in the same boat as you. Highly unlikely we would get into a Charter school on the Hospital site with their crow's flies admissions policy. I hope this is some help.

Redjam if you live in a black hole for co-ed secondaries please do fill out the haberdashers online feedback form and tell us where you are. We are trying to design an admissions policy that addresses unmet need in ED.

Thanks Londonmix. Tessa has been very supportive. You can tell from her letter she agrees that the priority in terms of local need is for a secondary school. It remains to be seen what Nicky Morgan's take will be, but we will post on here when we get a response. If her reply indicates that she thinks the Harris primary is a priority over a secondary (particularly if she thinks it should go on the dulwich hospital site) we will have to mobilise ...

If you read the Q&A on the have your say thread (page 12) it answers your question. I would post it here but am out hunting down a dodgy accountant :)

Hi bornagain As a member of the steering group who has been working her arse off for several months to try to set up an outstanding secondary school for our community, I am a little put out by your request that we pull our socks up. If you have a look on the separate threads about the community meeting and the feedback forms you will see that we have put up a link to a FAQ paper which gives a response to the fraud allegations as well as setting out Habs' strengths as our chosen provider and more details about what the proposed school will look like. We have been working extremely hard to engage the community on this to make sure we get the admissions policy right and understand what people need. This included delivering leaflets to every single house and flat in East Dulwich, Peckham and Nunhead, attending a deputation at Southwark cabinet on the schools places strategy, writing letters to Michael Gove and Tessa Jowell and lobbying council members behind the scenes to find solutions to the various issues that keep cropping up about the site. We meet weekly - some of us more often - and email daily. But clearly we are not doing enough. I'll tell my kids we aren't going to the park today as mummy has to go and solve a case of historical fraud against the Haberashers Federation.

Useful Q&A document on the 'have your say' thread which addresses the fraud on page 12.

Haberdashers Easy Dulwich could be quite problematic :)

Do we have to have College at the end?

Haberdashers East Dulwich would be a better name in my view.

This is the motion: MOTION FROM COUNCILLOR CHARLIE SMITH (Seconded by Councillor Helen Hayes) East Dulwich Secondary School Council assembly: 1.Notes that there is clear evidence of the need for a secondary school in the Dulwich area in order to meet local demand and that the Dulwich hospital site has been identified as the only suitable site in the local area. 2. Notes that two providers have put forward proposals for a new secondary school on this site and that both are backed by strong local parental campaigns and have the full backing of the council and local MPs. 3. Notes that the need for primary school places in this part of the borough is being met through a number of new local free school proposals and the expansion of existing primary schools, including Ivydale School, which is the preferred choice of local parents. 4. Supports the view of local parents that what is needed on the Dulwich hospital site is a new secondary school, not another primary school. 5. Believes that it is completely unacceptable for the coalition government to be progressing plans for a primary free school on the Dulwich hospital site without consulting local parents or the local authority. 6. Believes that blocking a new and much needed secondary school in this area would completely go against the coalition government?s own policy of responding to local need and demand, as well as the free school aspiration of parent led schools with a diversity of providers. 7. Calls on cabinet to press the Education Secretary to be open and transparent about his plans for the Dulwich hospital site and to listen to the views of the local community and their elected representatives who have been campaigning for a secondary school on this site. 8. Calls on councillors from all parties to stand firmly with local people who want a secondary school in East Dulwich, rather than supporting another primary school, which would limit rather than increase parental choice, in an area where the council has worked hard with popular local schools to expand places and meet demand. Note: If the motion is agreed, any proposals will be submitted to the cabinet for consideration.

Edited as posted on wrong thread.

Grabot what makes you think it's a school for Peckham? Clearly there is a part of ED which borders Peckham and is becoming one and the same ... The area which needs a co-ed secondary is arguably the area to the east of LL which is outside the charter catchment.

Edited because posted on wrong thread.

Banding + nodal point on the 'wrong' side of ED would help.

A nodal point for admissions to the east side of LL has got to be the fairest way of doing it if it's a school for ED families. Could have one nodal point at the hospital site and one elsewhere - that way families who live close to the site could still get in.

Clux - if Haberdashers (or Charter) manage to open a secondary school on the Dulwich hospital site, there is a chance the catchment could reach as far as Nunhead for the first year of entry. I think James has said this elsewhere in this thread. A new school would be less well known and so the catchment would be wider for Y1. Obviously not guaranteed but it's a possibility for your daughter. The Harris Nunhead primary is clearly not in the right spot for Nunhead families if it does open on the hospital site. Younger children need their school to be closer. Let's hope that doesn't happen.

James, when families gave their support for a new Harris primary, were they supporting a Harris Primary for Nunhead or for elsewhere in ED? In your view do we need another primary for Nunhead families beside the expansion of Ivydale?

Nxjen if you look at the other thread, James has explained that Gove wasn't muddled, as we hoped. Tessa was indeed referring to the secondary school in her letter, and he replied to say he's intending to use the site for the nunhead Harris primary. So we need to persuade decision makers to allow the nunhead primary to open elsewhere.

If you haven't seen it, the parents steering group for the Habs campaign have sent a letter to Michael Gove asking for clarity on the Dulwich Hospital site and stating the case for a secondary school rather than a primary. Suggest we all like and share on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NewSchDulwich It's also on twitter @NewSchDulwich

If you like the New Secondary School East Dulwich page on Facebook you will see the parents steering group has posted a letter that they have sent to Michael Gove. You can also see it on twitter @NewSchDulwich