richard tudor

Quote If ED crashes then the rest of the country will be in a very big chill (which might just be true) behind the scenes there is little or zero growth and massive monetary policy keeping the ship afloat - and a lot of the world thank goodness seeing London as a safe haven Never knew that ED cash flow supported the rest of the Country. Maybe it is more important than I thought

Being able to row all round the boating lake in wonderful wooden boats, playing pirates and falling in. No H & S in those days.

Not enough middle class poppets to keep it open

Perhaps ED has always been smoke and mirrors than real substance. Credit only goes so far. More will no doubt close. Perhaps the shops were wrong in the first place

Sue This was my my full generation idea to make it more upmarket NCP car park with intergrated coffee shop and estate agents with a new Indian to supply snacks. Perhaps also to include a hidden ICELAND. In New York the latest fad is prohibition bars this could be an upmarket whizz for some ED people

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Perhaps ED people believe they are in the film Independence Day. Went to bed one night living in their perfect fashioned world and next morning, it all changed.HELP Iceland is always mentioned but it was there long before many people moved in when not being able to afford elsewhere. Whilst it is welcome for the area to improve do not ignore the requirements of others. Rather like the old days of moving to a country village because it was cute and then doing all in ones power to make it over to to where they came from. People make an area not prissy shops.

I already in an earlier message suggested a NCP. Carpark with shops

Its illegal to eat human flesh

richard tudor Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > James Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Anyone whould think they had murdered someone. > > What exactly is the problem with a shop > replacing > > another shop with a slightly different (nicer) > > design and improved facilities? It will look > > better and your houses will probably increase > in > > value too. Presumably you were aware that > Lordship > > lane is a busy South-East London shopping > street > > when you moved here? And has been since the > > Victorian times? We are not in some rural idyll > in > > Berkshire or something. Thriving shops are > > something many parts of England would give > > anything for. Some people, I feel, would > complain > > about anything. > > Perhaps ED people believe they are in the film > Independence Day. Went to bed one night living in > their perfect fashioned world and next morning, it > all changed.HELP > > Iceland was there long before many people moved in > not being able to afford elsewhere

James Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Anyone whould think they had murdered someone. > What exactly is the problem with a shop replacing > another shop with a slightly different (nicer) > design and improved facilities? It will look > better and your houses will probably increase in > value too. Presumably you were aware that Lordship > lane is a busy South-East London shopping street > when you moved here? And has been since the > Victorian times? We are not in some rural idyll in > Berkshire or something. Thriving shops are > something many parts of England would give > anything for. Some people, I feel, would complain > about anything. Perhaps ED people believe they are in the film Independence Day. Went to bed one night living in their perfect fashioned world and next morning, it all changed.HELP Iceland was there long before many people moved in not being able to afford elsewhere

NCP car park with intergrated coffee shop and estate agents with a new Indian to supply snacks. Perhaps also to include a hidden ICELAND. In New York the latest fad is probition bars this could be an upmarket whizz for ED people

NCP car park with intergrated coffee shop and estate agents. Perhaps also to include a hidden ICELAND

NCP care park with intergrated coffee shop and estate agents perhaps including also a hidden Iceland shop

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Burger king

Enjoy

Zak Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > CPZ's are a fabulous cash cow for the local > authority > > Look what happened in Forest Hill: > ""At yesterday?s meeting of Mayor and Cabinet, the > Mayor approved the increase from ?60 to ?120pa for > Resident?s Parking Permits. Visitors permits will > also double, going up from ?2.80 to ?5.60 daily. > Weekly permits will now cost the same as five > daily permits instead of three". > > Don't be fooled by assurances from Southwark - > they need money and lots of it! > Charges for CPZs will only ever go in one > direction - up! At least someone else appreciates the financial aspect of CPZ and the damage it will cause to the local community. More old people left alone due to parking costs. Southwark needs loads, ?150 million to buy Tooley Street to start with.

Southwark + cpz = money. Qed

Just been announced in Southwark News that Southwark Council has made a ?150 million offer for their building at Tooley Street. More CPZ's needed to fund this. Amazing that non revenue producing concerns have no worries in spending money they dont have and only have by raising bills. Look at all charges very carefully from now on We are all in this together

Highly paid consultants to be paid, very expensive rent increasing building at Tooley street, ?125million,overall cost for the life of the lease. Bottom line push thru as many revenue schemes as possible hoping that people will not notice and object. Case in question Peckham road just before Christmas. Merry Christmas everyone

Dear DJKQ A very good response and having lived in NY for many years I can confirm the points you make. Holland I have been involved with on a personnel level for over 40 years and trying to compare this Country to us is very silly. Dutch towns, cities and villages all share one great asset. SPACE. Ring roads operate for them all and are all planned not like here. The density of housing is not crowded unlike here. Residential roads come off these ring roads serving the area. To make roads into Cul-de-Sacs here wont work for there is no ring road system only roads to move thru. Once you enter into this idea areas turn into enclaves. But then for ED I suspect this is what is wanted. Denmark again has space. Modern and planned London,be it cities or towns does not have the space to copy any of the above. One thing that is never mentioned in Countries like Denmark and Holland people do not commute as we do. 20/25 minutes to work is pushing it hence why they cycle on purpose built cycle roads. In this Country too many people, old and crowded roads, too many houses in limited space and no way easy to improve.

Coops46 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > DJKillaQueen, I understand your point but New > York, Paris, Tokyo... These are megacities > improving road conditions in precisely this way - > by restricting car usage and focusing on getting > as many people through junctions, not cars. > > When we used to look at junctions, we asked, "how > many cars can we get through here an hour", this > lead to abominations like Vauxhall gyratory, and > this isn't a liveable situation. Now, we are > beginning to ask, "how many people can we get > through here an hour". By changing this mindset, > you can vastly improve the road system for > EVERYONE. > > At points like Waterloo roundabout, people on > bicycles represent 25% of thoroughfare through the > junction, and on Blackfriars bridge, bicycles > outnumber cars in rush hour. And this is just with > a modal share of 2% commuting by bicycle. > > Taking space from the car to build segregated > cycle ways actually means reduced journey times > for the car! Everyone is a winner. > > And one last thought, on the talk of money. > Hackney council trialled closing through roads on > residential streets, and made them permanent as > the road now had CHILDREN PLAYING on it! This is > the ultimate praise for a safe street. It also > meant the road was quieter, people were happier, > and house values went up on the street. Win, Win, > Win. > > When the health benefits, time saved and reduction > in congestion and car crashes are taken into > account, a nation can like Denmark profits 13p for > every KM cycled, where as for every KM driven by > car, society makes a net LOSS of 8p. Have you ever worked on and completed any road systems in any city town or village. It would be interesting to see the practical result apart from the usual outpouring of statistics.

How about reinstating iceland.

Coops46 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've only recently moved into E Dulwich, and I'm > quite astounded the state of the roads in this > family/retail area. People are double parked all > over Lordship Lane, cars speed up and down the > residential streets, and have access to all the > roads. > > People will only behave as well as the roads are > designed, and if you limit access to residential > side streets with bollards at one end, it means > through-traffic is reduced to a minimum. > > I agree that reducing the speed limit won't do > enough to help make things safe, but it's a start. So all this has happened since you moved to ED. You seem quite surprised that people have access to all roads. I am amazed you did not see this before you moved to ED. If people pay the relevant taxes they can use all roads. Why do I think many people suggest things that only benefit them and how it will effect the value of their property. Most people drive correctly and if there were sufficient Police Officers out on the beat they could catch and charge the idiots. Many years ago Camberwell Grove residents suggested having a Toll Gate to keep people out for road safety a bit like your bollard idea. It was rejected. ED is part of the overall Southwark community not a special enclave to apply their own rules.