cmck83

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > cmck83 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > If a kid gets his BB and X box seized and sold > it could teach them a > > lesson in empathy perhaps? Or not? What do you > think? > > I think that he probably nicked them in the first > place - and will go out an nick some replacements. Some kids, yes. Others who ended up going along with the crowd though; could work on them. Perhaps the way to ho for first time offenders?

suniil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Skip to timestamp 5:15 and see a good > representation of the community! > > What A nice man, he took a big risk there!

Apologies for spelling, phone's buttons are too small for my stubby fingers, obvs.

edcam Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Completely agree with those who think removing > what little income some of these people have is a > terrible idea. You'd have to be mad to think > that's a solution to these problems. > > Frankly this "get 100,000 names and Parliament > must debate it idea" is ludicrous. Take any > strange/offensive/useless belief and it's quite > simple to round up 100,000 internet users who are > too lazy to write a letter or go to any effort to > campaign for change. More than 100,000 would sign > something online to deport immigrants/remove gay > rights/reintroduce capital punishment/etc. > > I'm all for identifying the perpetrators so that > the authorities can deal with them though. They need to pay back the cost of what they have done in some way though. Sending them to prison will cost even more money, and we all know there aren't enough spaces. In another thread I talked about something like what the Criminal Assets Bureau do in Ireland. They seize personal possessions and auction them to take back what is owed to society ( in money terms). Too harsh or fitting concidering the looting? If a kid gets his BB and X box seized and sold it could teach them a lesson in empathy perhaps? Or not? What do you think?

mister_eels Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "Taking the piss out of them is the only way." > > http://photoshoplooter.tumblr.com/ Hehe! http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/riots-caused-by-society-or-lazy%2c-thieving-pricks%2c-say-experts-201108094174/

Urm, I think Endresi was making a joke...

charliebrown Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > james Barber - specials sign up for 25 hours and > do not get all the travelling perks of the full > time police officers. They do, my cousin is one.

Send them to some newspapers and met police. There is also a "shop a looter" website, google should sort you out for an address.

Right, boyfriend is getting annoyed with me. He has told me to stop having e-beef with people on the Internet. Fair point I suppose, haha! SJ, I'll have to agree to disagree with you so! Bye everyone!

camberwell70 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The OP's argument was that he went to university > and got an education. No, it's that he was poor too, but he worked hard and made something of himself. Best thing I've read on here in a while, fair play! *claps*

23e Heure Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That boy is a regular at the Goose Green > playground. > > I only recognise his face, as I've noticed he's > always up at the playground not to play (too > old/cool for that), but just hanging about, > pushing the other (smaller) kids in his little > posse about. He'll be found, his is one of the main pictures the press is using. I had a run in with him once outside Tescos too. He tried to throw something at my bike. > > > > mention as > cmck83 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024012/Th > > > > ey-stole-EVERYTHING-Shelves-stripped-bare-shops-ra > > > > nsacked-looters-pillage-London-high-streets.html > > > > > > The kid on the bike about halfway down was > > involved in the looting of Tesco, if anyone > knows > > him please report him.

Kids hate the police in Dublin too, and complain about stop and searches. Kids will never be the police (or teachers) biggest fans, because they often get punished by them. It does not mean police and teachers should not be able to impose rules and discipline on kids.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Apparently you can get 'paintballs' filled with > capsaicin solution (pepper spray), which have > previously been used in riot control. Amazing. They need to get some of them.

No, it's decided, paintballs not rubber bullets. Imagine how fun the training would be too, haha!

Yay! At least one of my ideas could work, haha!

What about paint balls made of indelible ink? (seriously). They hurt and could help identify people, but I can't see how they would kill anyone.

lostcat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So here we have it, scratch the surface of the > east dulwich urban idyll and we have a bunch of > rabid reactionaries..I wonder how the current crop > of middle class east dulwich offspring will turn > out. Their enormous designer buggies block the > pavements, they rampage and scream through the > cafes and shops to be met only with adoring words > and glances from parents who seem unaware of > anyone else, let alone imparting respect for > others. These children are taught that the world > revolves around them and no doubt they will grow > up expecting and receiving benefits that many of > these 'feral' rioters you talk about will never > know. I think those kinds of kids are just as bad to be fair. Why can't people just teach their kids manners! Children at both extremes of the spectrum need to be taught that the world doesn't revolve around them.

That's been all over Twitter, haha!

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I don't recall rubber bullets being all that > succesful in Ireland Sorry, I just found the concept that it wasn't acceptable to use watercannons and rubber bullets in London, but they are fine to use NI offensive. (Not on here, in terms of what T May said). But to be fair, most of the kids rioting stopped when they realised the Police in London were gonna get tough.

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yep - repercussions should be meaningful and > strong - that I agree with > > I'm siding with the long community sentence thing, > as well as the restoration of any groups which > have recentlly had their funding cut to deal with > people like this. primarily because it's more > sucessful AND cheaper than employing more police > and just hoping it doesn't happen again If that is done though, it has to be done properly. (I would be happy with this done properly plus selling off possessions, I'm adamant about that. If that can be done in Ireland it can be done here, just like rubber bullets!)

> > How about we try seeing if when the police and > other agents of the state treat people with > respect, they get more respect in return? Novel > idea, but who knows, it might just work! They don't have respect for anyone themselves though! People don't bring their kids up properly anymore. Kids are not taught empathy or respect, that's were all this stems from.

I don't think these people should get money though. They have ruined their communities. They have to pay something back.

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > yay - several posts outlining the problem with the > OP's petition and they come back with "Who gives a > sh1t. " > > wise.... > > (emotionally it's most of our gut reaction, I > admit that. But you don't have to think for much > longer to start to see the flaws) But it seems > even 2 seconds more thought is beyond you Read what I just wrote about people who lost their homes and jobs. How are they going to eat?

RosieH Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Jeremy, would you employ the little bastards? > > Chances of their getting a job are slim - whether > by dint of their own fecklessness, criminal > record, or unemployment. I'm not being bleeding > heart about this, I'm being entirely pragmatic. In some States in America they force you to take a job. I'm sure something like that could be implemented here. Something like street cleaning or government run factories making goods.

RosieH Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And how are they going to eat with no legal source > of income? Who gives a sh1t. How are the people who lost their businesses and homes going to eat?! I also think their belongings should be sold at auction to pay for the damage. Like what the Criminal Assets Bureau do to drug barons in Ireland.