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SO...now we are losing European medicine agency to Amsterdam..and the European banking Authority to Paris.. never seen something so stupid, i thought war in Iraq was the most stupid idea ever but than there is always worse...!At least in iraq we went hoping to keep getting oil for free but what do we earn from this?? i m speechless..

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > From what I have read, file Henry Whittle under > "Least worst candidate" - he seems to be more > about Brexit than harassing foreigners in general > and Muslims in particular. > > There were, unsurprisingly, some right nutters in > line to take over from the Nutter. I was > disappointed to see that the candidate who > campaigned on a policy of "developing spacecraft > to allow humans to mine the asteroid belt" failed > to get elected. Is it UKIP the problem now? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/30/brussels-uk-deported-eu-citizens

Mrs May seems always one step behind...someone should update her on things. After USING us,the EU citizens in UK, to make some kind of leverage on the EU ..after checking those people bank accounts..after we had to take (myself personally) 7+kg of papers to show we exist in here after 20 years, after an english test to demonstrate not only we are here but we can actually talk..after deportations and dividing families now she says: We want You to stay... Can someone tell her that phase is long gone and instead now we want to go?? I thought datas on immigration and ppl leaving UK few weeks ago made it clear..but she probably was busy writing her speech for an empty room at the UN...yeap Blah Blah, I agree with You: it says it all! She also added she doesn t want a cliff edge for businesses so they don t go away... Has she noticed that banks, very orderly, are already moving to Frankfurt and science and research in Milan? she probably was busy writing her speech in Italy where....her speech didn t even make it on the first pages of the newspapers while green pace activities on the river made it as much as the Uber licensing situation... I have 2 Eu friends in here running businesses one still working here but moved warehouse to France. The other friend, Italian is relocating to Portugal.. A proper leader with a vision!

More than running she is going to walk for her 3 weeks holidays in Italy.. Some ppl cannot afford holidays this year thanx to her and her inabilities..but than good on her! She better take advantage now Hopefully last time she can put her feet in Europe..but surely not. She ll be free to move while we (English and EU) gonna be stuck where we are. Best of all we are also paying somehow for her holidays.. She probably needs somewhere to stay where ppl are not waiting outside for her but than not sure Italy or everywhere else it s good for her. On the moon maybe...??

HI THANX ALL EDT is a good solution! Didn t think they open after 11pm but they are till 12am... That gives me 1,5/2hrs for a drink!! considering age it will be just that one drink;) thank You

Hi there have my parents visiting and leaving on wed morning. Some family friends also will be passing by london on their way back home from holidays on tuesday eve, one night only. Friends can be in ED for a surprise around 10pm the earliest but it could be later of course ...we just want to go for an easy drink.. If they can make it by 10pm it should not be a prob but ,as i see it, it could be later .. what s open in ED/peckham after 10.30/11 pm??? Although Young at heart They all are 70 yo ca thanx

I think election shows the country not very happy about 2 things.. 1)hard brexit 2)scottish independence.. Whoever gonna deal with Brexit needs to understands her mistake. Person in charge needs to take the referendum vote into account. Not only the 52% but also the 48%. PM is the prime minister of the country not the PM of the 52% Never mind about negotiations. It s another lie. there will be no negotiations Few weeks ago former Greek PM had a brilliant interview on bbc radio5 explaining why there will not be no negotiations as there was no negotiations for them EU is trying to say it for a very long time there will be no negotiations. They be saying for very long time ...but she said they wanted interfere with general election..... She would not listen. not the 48% of the country..no the whatever percentage of the 52% that anyway did not want an extreme brexit...not the 27 countries that are trying to explain to her there will be no negotiations.. That s her problem. She would not listen rather I believe a PM should be precisely that person that can read, smell and feel what the country wants and find a way that makes everybody happy with what they need and want HM the Queen is not the Queen of the conservative only, or the 52%only etc. She is the Queen of a Kingdom so it should be the PM Rather than pulling the country together she just broke it

Even now She would not Leave..She is a remainer!! She never leaves :) ..Hopefully another U Turn. MAYbe last one

Borky Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > an utter waste of time. Corbyn or May is like > asking whether you want stabbed in the face or > slashed across the throat. And don't me started on > the libdem vermin. ..Nobody likes him..nobody trust her.. At least he has been strong and stable in his positions since ever and will work for the country no for herself or for her lust for power that s how i see it She knows nothing about economy, has been saying everything and the opposite and she is more of a remeiner than he is.. You know anyway where conservative gonna take the country....is it?

????..more credibility for brexit? She doesn t seem to know even the basic in economy and business. Everybody can see that.. Not sure about Her negotiating skills as she managed to put off 27 countries before even starting a brexit that should have been orderly, collaborative and friendly She has made a number of spectacular U turns on pretty much every subject in spite of "strong and stable" She campaigned and voted as a remainer.. Yeap..credibilty ...

also I d like to say that yes EU did good to spain but it didn t do bad at all for wales scotland and ireland as well.. http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/report-claims-wales-gets-245m-11375402 a part from this i still do not believe it s only a matter of money. It s a matter to stick together in this hard time not to see ppl like Trump,south arabia or the self proclaimed new hitler be in charge.. But than ..you want to go precisely that way... I will never agree but of course i must respect your decision. Unfortunately i believe it s more the PM decision than the country decision..but that s my opinion In the end majority of ppl voting for brexit won t ever see the results of it. their families will though..

Green Goose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Pato, > > You have said that with a great deal of passion. I > can fully understand, joining the EU has been > spectactularly beneficial for Spain over many > years and even today Spain is a net beficiary when > contributions are compared to receipts. > > After Germany, the UK is the next largest > contributor to the EU finances. On net terms we > lose out by billions every year. On balance the > majority of the people in the UK decided that the > EU just was not worth the cost and they voted to > leave. > > It was not just a matter of money but more a > matter of sovereignty. In 1974 Britain joined a > Common Market, not a political, economic, montary > and judicial union with ever closer political > integration that will result in a federal system. > > > The UK is a great trading nation with a strong > sense of individuality and independence. Germany > and France had been at war over the last 2 > centuries. That influenced their thinking in terms > of forming the original common market alliance as > a means of avoiding future conflicts. > > The UK came to the assistance of Europe during two > world wars but we do not see any sense in loosing > our independence and soveignty for the sake of > further integration in Europe. Spain was on the > margins of Europe for many years due to Franco's > fascist orientation but once he was gone, Spain > was totally transformed by joining the EU. We have > been diminished by it. It has cost us money. > > Please respect our right to vote the way we want. I absolutely respect it and i believe You know as I also wrote it in my previous answer to You I do not agree at all with it. I think going back to walls in 2017 is not great idea after previous generation has been at war to put walls down..It makes no sense to me. We looking forward no back. Going back is never an option in life. Once You gone out of europe things in here won t be the same than 20 yrs ago..sure you understand it I respect anyway your decision although I would not take any decision on a 2% difference..also the 48% needs to be taken in account...in the end Scotland ireland and london did not want to go out so when You go out You should take them also in account. they not second class citizens.. I still believe nearly 50% of the country wanted to stay and perhaps not all the remaining 50% did want to go out this way. If for instance 20..10..or even 5% of the ppl wanting to leave did not want such an extreme brexit ..?? If it was even a 5% of them than result would have been different so ..i in this sense wonder if we are really doing what people want...or we simply doing what PM says You want to do, after campaigning for remain after saying brexit would be disaster for the country in several occasions .. I personally agree with those ppl saying it was just a cat fight for power got out of control.and ppl have been just taken for a ride From my point of view there was lack of discussion after referendum. People say they wanted to leave nobody said how..we had to go with a personal interpretation of the PM..a remainer ...not elected..a person that said for months brexit was a disaster for uk.. Anyway as i said i respect but do not agree at all but it s not really up to me to agree or disagree. Although here for 21 yrs (more than half of my life) although feeling part of this city and country it is not up to me to say.. If You want to be taken for a ride by someone looking for power at all costs ...feel free. In the end more than strong and stable it seems weak. PM has changed her mind on pretty much anything, would not say what she wants to do and how ...there is nothing strong and stable there..they ll do and say whatever just for power Once again I respect the referendum but i m not sure they doing what ppl want. My best friend wanted to leave for instance but now he doeasn t want no more as he says he did not want this in the first place but wanted something similar to norway..but than his voice does not count...the voice of nearly 50% of remainer does not count so what or who does..? Personally I do not feel anyway appreciated and respected myself. In 20+ yrs in here without an offence, without claiming any benefit and (thanx God) never been in a hospital i alone have been putting more than 1 million pounds in this country and its economy in taxes plus nearly the same amount in interests on loans or mortgages.. I have been giving work to 3/4 ppl with families ( so kids university mortgages etc etc) for the past 15 years and suddenly I become a bargain chip for a deal that...does not exist There will be no negotiations. It s a divorce. And even if there was a negotiation to be done I m not sure PM is the best at it as She managed to put off 27 countries well before negotiation begins.. From my side i never wanted europe in the first place. I do not like it, it does not work this way. But once we decided to go that way we better try to improve it from the inside (as france is doing now for instance. there should be a 2 speed europe in this sense) rather than leaving not to pay This gouvernement has been separating families, deporting people, and using the rest as bargain chip.. does not want improve the EU but just go out of it keeping the same benefits without paying Also I want to ask You something. Even if it was the case to leave europe do You find in this world as it is now, being on Trump side make sense? Is it worth (surely for money) making business with south arabia and the self proclaimed new hitler in the philippines rather than with europe??Is politic just business or there should be a bottom line of values there?? As you said You went into war to defeat germany and now you leaving them with even greater powers. does it makes sense? I respect your decision to leave anyway but deeply disagree. I ll never be able to respect the way You (she) is doing it. I ll never feel home again here. i do not feel protected here as a person first of all and as an investor. whatever You decide to do I m leaving in december. I never stayed here for business, I stayed here for love of the country and the city of London. Some of my friends already left. One of them was the youngest lecturer in UK at University, a very bright and talented person now in bruxelles. Another one a surgeon quit his job here in camberwell to relocate in Germany..! None of them left for money as you leaving europe i want to say. it s a heart decision they do not feel home anymore here. I personally have been verbally attacked twice in the streets of London since referendum..never ever happened before. If You wanna go that way...it s in you your right. Go towards Trump. south arabia and philippines but...You not gonna use me as a bargain chip believe me.. I just feel bad for the people working with me and for their families and ashamed for a country which i love very much Thanx for your answer anyway, i appreciate it and i see your point I really hope that money you 'll save from the tiranny of europe goes into you hospital as promised before referendum but..unfortunately i do not think so. We ll see in a few years when possibly your NHS will be privatised by conservative and You ll be wondering where that money and all the promises went I genuinely wish you the best

Green Goose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > pato Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > someone already did it few months ago.. i d > like > > to remind you the story with the EU and UK as > lots > > of people have short memory.. > > > > UK: Can we join? > > EU: nope.. > > UK: Go on, pls > > EU: ok then > > UK: We want a rebate.. > > EU: here is Your rebate > > He Pato, you told us onlyy half the story. Here's > the full version... > > UK: Go on, pls > ECM: OK then > UK: You are ripping us off. We want a refund. > ECM: here is your ?rebate? > EU: We changed our name to European Union > UK: OK > EU: We want an exchange rate mechanism. > UK: Sorry but that would have major problems (for > UK, Greece, Italy, Spain.) > EU: OK you can opt out. > EU: We want a common currency. > UK: Sorry, but that will have problems because you > don?t control spending in each country. > EU: OK, you can opt out. > EU: We want open borders across Europe. > UK: Bad idea. Not keen on that. > EU: OK you can opt out. > EU: Come for a jolly to Lisbon and sign this new > agreement. > Gordon Brown: I daren?t tell the UK about this. > http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/52947/Sold-out-to > -Europe-Brown-makes-Queen-sign-away-our-sovereignt > y > EU: Your legal system is no longer sovereign. We > have supremacy on legal matters. > UK: Gordon Brown keeps quiet. UKIP say we should > have a referendum. > EU: We have new rights to social security, housing > assistance, health care and environmental > protection > UK: Gordon Brown keeps quiet. UKIP say we should > have a referendum. > EU: We now national employment policies, and laws > dictating workers' social security and social > protection rights and working conditions. > UK: Gordon Brown keeps quiet. UKIP say we should > have a referendum. > EU: Our unelected commission will propose all new > legislation. > UK: Gordon Brown keeps quiet. UKIP say we should > have a referendum. > EU: We have an economic crisis in Greece. We will > impose our power to apply austerity. > UK: Gordon Brown keeps quiet. UKIP say we should > have a referendum. > EU: We will have ever closer union i.e. more > powers to Brussels. > UK: David Cameron keeps quiet. UKIP say we should > have a referendum. > EU: The UK military will come under Brussels > control. Bugger NATO. > UK: David Cameron keeps quiet. UKIP say we should > have a referendum. > EU: You must pay more money to fund Brussels > corruption and our gravy train. > UK: David Cameron keeps quiet. UKIP say we should > have a referendum. > EU: The Euro is going pear shaped. Can we have > more money? > UK: Sorry, but I have got to let the UK have a > referendum. The natives are rebelling! > EU: If they vote out, then you can swing it on a > second referendum. We?ve done that before. > UK: OK sounds good. We will have a vote. > EU: They voted out. Quelle surprise! > EU: We will make you sorry, ?pour encourage les > autres? > UK: Sounds like Hotel California.. ?You can check > out, but you can never leave.? Whatever you believe is true..... Just Do Us a favor now..will you?? (without U Turns possibly..) In the end while you discussing nhs, taxes and fantasy euro zone history I think it s simple as that: Chose what side you wanna be in this election and as i said before no Uturns. You might wanna stay with Trump, Russia, south arabia and Philippines or on the other side with all the civilised ppl.. Simple as that! You can believe all You want, including your fantasy history, but there would not been refugees and death if you and US weren t making billion selling weapons through south arabia.. there will be no terror, families destroyed and innocent lives lost here in such a beautiful and amazing city as London if You weren t there with Trump killing, in the past few months, as many INNOCENT lives (datas from the white house it was on the guardian on friday) as in the past 2 years (or something like that) In Your fantasy trips have you ever noticed the more innocents we kill over there the more terror attacks and victims we have over here...? Past few months, since trump say it all.. On my side I fantasise about a fair world with values over money. A place where ppl can move study, retire, make business anywhere they want as far as stick to the rules and values of the country. A world where ppl can speak languages can confront learn and talk For this reason I personally wanna stay with France sweden canada norway italy portugal etc etc ..as pretty much half of the uk If You wanna stay with trump south arabia philippines russia it s in your rights and in your freedom to do so and vote in this sense So now this country, a country that I love indeed, People with whom a share values, lives and deeply feel part of it are called to an election to say what they want (not what Theresa May says You want). Well before (although i share the probs with you) nhs pensions universities etc etc YOU got to say which side of the world you are and wanna be NO EXCUSES NOW and hopefully no U turns anymore Stop the fantasies get real. it s not the empire anymore. Germany alone (+ the rest of it) has a way stronger economy, get a reality check. we are in 2017. it s not the case to build walls...we have been fighting to put them down actually. Our relatives died in wars over borders and walls Stay with Trump south arabia philippines or with the little good left in this world but then no changing your minds anymore pls it has been far too many years.You might have noticed you were in Europe with Your own rules. The only country by the way.. in this sense, with all respect and sincere good feelings, I m sure all the 27 countries would agree You have been more of a problem than an asset unfortunately Also pls i d like to remind you when You are in your fantasy trips, to try and recall how much money depressed areas in the UK have received from Europe in the past decades You ll discover Scotland(love it), Wales, where they voted to leave, has taken as much as those est european countries you wanna get rid of now.. Anyway whatever walls your friends are gonna build for you to live in, they ll be much easier to put down in a few years than the walls I see in certain minds with no hard feelings. love and respect from my side wishing you the best PS for those wanting to leave as for, values identity and culture i understand you very much and agree with You on one hand. on the other hand i understand going back it s not really possible in 2017 for many reason not last the internet I d like to reming all of you that it s the way it is we all speak languages travel etc etc. In spain there are entire towns for english. in many parts of spain the locals had to learn english in order to comunicate with you and make you feel welcome. In ibiza You find easier an english breakfast than a cappuccino or a tortilla. we live global if you haven t noticed it Perhaps I also liked it better before but ehy...going back is possible only in your fantasy. we are not going back, it s simply impossible and nobody wants it really. You might wanna take a pizza away from an english but than...he/she knows pizza he can t decide to forget that and..he/she will find his way..

someone already did it few months ago.. i d like to remind you the story with the EU and UK as lots of people have short memory.. UK: Can we join? EU: nope.. UK: Go on, pls EU: ok then UK: We want a rebate.. EU: here is Your rebate UK: WE WANT A SINGLE MARKET EU:Here is a single market UK WE WANT EU EXPANSION TO THE EAST EU: here is the EU expansion to east UK: we want opt-outs on Schengen, on social policy,on the charter of fundamental rights,on the euro.. EU: here are all Your opt-outs ...pause... UK: Ok, bye..

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2017/may/31/absence-debate-brexit-election-fraud-public-clueless-video

Do You Think if PM went into brexit talks without an election would have been any different than after an election?? Do You think they care if PM was put there by conservative party, by the people or the Queen Herself? will it make any difference for them in Bruxelles?? Is there really a deal to be made?? and if....and only IF, there was a deal to be made do You think PM and her attitude are the best for those negotiations?? and what s the plan anyway....can UK give mandate on an empty paper?? I don t really think there is any deal to be made. It s a divorce it will go by the rules. Of course UK cannot ask to have a better position in europe after Brexit as it makes no sense really... Is there any sense in all of it or we are taken to a cliff just to watch a cat fight for power that will cost us a couple of decades of credit crunch..? I don t know....in the end of the day UK could already do pretty much whatever They wanted while still being in europe...not only for the euro itself but also migrants for instance...I remember Cameron did struck a deal regarding migrants just before referendum.. Once divorced also conservative keep saying they are best to build a stronger UK in the future but it is really worth to make Business with South Arabia with all they do to women, minorities etc or with Duterte in the Philippines the self proclaimed New Hitler? Is it economically and morally better than do business with europe especially in these so uncertain times we living..? Also can we take a whole country to such a cliff for a 2% difference in a referendum where nobody could know consequences of it and where lots of people voted in protest for anything (nhs gouvernment school migrants refugees u name it..) but europe? In the end country was divided 50/50 let s say on the referendum...so 50% didn t want brexit at all. Are we sure the whole 50% that wanted brexit wanted THIS Brexit??? as if only 10/20% of them did not want a Tory Brexit than we could easily say that we are doing precisely what 70% of UK doesn t want rather than the opposite.. I don t know but it seems a complete no sense made not for best interest of the country but for power only in spite of the country.. talking about power one last question: are we sure UK will come out stronger or You just making Germany france etc stronger? I m sure in this sense ChelseaFC and their supporters will be really happy if now Tottenham decides to leave the Premier league.. Anyway wishing everybody all the best. From my side I really wish You that the voice of UK people will be heard..whatever is the outcome

..in which she found herself...?? :) :) :) :)

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2017/apr/12/theresa-may-is-more-dangerous-than-donald-trump-opinion-video

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/04/uks-need-for-post-brexit-trade-deals-will-trump-human-rights-concerns

Dear Administrator, I see your point. I understand also all the reasons You did not mention. I sincerely apologise but sometimes I find synthesising difficult and i became less precise. Once again apologies, i appreciate very much what You do for this forum. It could not exist without you. Thanx I ll still be anyway curious to understand why we cannot synthesise "Someone shouted terrorist at a woman and man" incident this afternoon with "racist incident this afternoon". Don t You find racist shouting Terrorist in the streets at a couple (cause of the way they look)?? I do..unless You wanna tell me their look was a coincidence and they could have shouted terrorist also to a lovely english looking grandma ?? I think it also it makes sense to generally synthesise a title. What you writing as a title it s actually the fact itself.. ...Otherwise i really gonna start believing we gonna pretend... Thank You anyway for what you do for us. JoeLeg, Thanks for You reply. I really enjoyed the tone of Your saying and I see Your points. I respect the referendum result. I will never understand the referendum itself. Although I was sure remain will win I did not think it was right to have a referendum for many many reasons. I mainly agree with what you say absolutely and also I have inside myself still a strong belief in this country and its people. I wanna make also sure You understand I have been longer here than in my own town. I love it here and in my heart it s home and always will be. I have became a Man in this country. I disagree with You on Trump and May as the first one, after nearly 15 yrs attempts,unfortunately has been elected and he s not doing anything different than what he said in the beginning. I find it sad that all the dreams of a "better world" and the work Obama just started has been so ferociously slammed. Certain opportunities takes generations to come back but we all hope earlier From my point of view I worry less for Trump than for May cause Trump is str8 forward and has been elected while I do not even discuss Mrs May on what she does. She might be right in her vision but than if She is right now it must be that she was wrong before... I see too much forcing situations in Her ways.. First of all she was against brexit but than she changed her mind. fair enough. Than not elected she decides to embrace the spirit of an entire (or at least half of it) country. in between all of it she finds time also to go house of lords.. I Thought once decided leave or remain the way of leaving or remaining should have been debated in parliament, eventually the people could have decided with another referendum. Even more considering the elected PM resigned You should have perhaps gone to vote again. So all candidates could explain, discuss their approach to leaving or remaining to the people and the people could decide....same as Trump did in the last 15 yrs. He has been saying for 15 yrs what is his approach to things. He has been frustrated many times till he got elected and now does what he said. Thanx God He is not alone but there is a democracy checking on him.. When Mrs May has been discussing her approach? When a different candidate has had the possibility to debate his/her approach with the rest of the country here in UK? Well in US it did happen.. Could we simply say that maybe half of the country did not want brexit? Can we say at least 20% of the leavers did not want to go out of Europe this way?? Can we than say that we are doing what people want considering easily 70% of the people would have said no to leave europe this way??..i don t think so but very unfortunately i m not able to say the same about Mr Trump. He said what he wanted to do and went for election...i don t recall anything like that on this side of the ocean but we see complaining here on how things go in US.... Why for instance we did not go on the streets to complain about Mr Berlusconi in Italy?He put the military for 100 and 100 and 100 of km in the south of italy to stop immigration..without mentioning the parties.. etc where were the women marching against Trump when Berlusconi was saying the same things and DOING all of them for over 20 years?? My grandma talking about Mussolini once said: He was loved by people, He was a socialist. People wanted him to lead the country. We thought he had "a bit" of a strong character but before we realised things He set already the world on fire with Hitler.. Anyway thanx for reading and pls keep in mind I do not say to foment bad feelings and further division. I just say my point to reflect together as much as i read other people point of view. Hope did not offend anyone I also wanted to give JoeLeg( i really like your username, best ever for me!) an advice that someone else gave me maaany years ago in completely different circumstances.. If You are in a fight or if You are in a trouble and You see someone coming looking for You, don t worry too much about the bigger guy that comes shouting towards You but keep always an eye open on the small skinny guy coming behind him. The big guy is there to take your attention and hold you...the smaller behind him is the one who s gonna hit you.. I personally find what Jimi1234 is reporting racist by the sound of it.and i m not afraid to say it.I might be wrong and i hope I am wrong I think He did very well reporting to police and to us. I had twice this kind of "incident" since brexit and as I m sure JoeLeg unfortunately knows being in an interracial marriage...it can really hurt.. I still anyway believe in better:)

Dear Administrator, I see your point. I understand also all the reasons You did not mention. I sincerely apologise but sometimes I find synthesising difficult and i became less precise. Once again apologies, i appreciate very much what You do for this forum. It could not exist without you. Thanx I still be curious to understand why we cannot synthesise "Someone shouted terrorist at a woman and man" incident this afternoon with "racist incident this afternoon". Don t You find shouting Terrorist in the streets at a couple cause of the way they look racist?? I do..and I think it also it makes sense to generally synthesise a title. What you writing as a title it s actually the fact itself.. Thank You anyway for what you do for us. P.

ahahah..I like ppl calling it an "hate incident"..also not much surprised (@Jimi1234) that your title has been changed on here from "racist incident this afternoon" to simply "incident this afternoon"... I am european, have been living 19 yrs in this country, never felt 100% accepted here but never have been racially attacked or insulted for being european...before brexit. After Brexit have found myself involved in those "incidents" ..as you call them..twice! I stick by the books and call them racially aggravated assaults some might call them incidents...some jokes..some nothing. In my case police called them racially aggravated assaults and i stick with it.. I personally think there is and there is always been a problem with it (So we don t mention the word) here in uk but not my problem anymore as soon leaving this country. I know also other europeans that have had a taste of those "incidents". Family of 5 she is dutch he is italian. Both in Uk for nearly 20 yrs, children born here. After 3 of those "incidents" they have now put the house for sale and already moved to Bruxelles.. He was the youngest lecturer in UK very bright guy I don t really wanna talk about those "incidents" as find it disgusting. what I d like to understand is how comes ppl in UK are all complaining for Trump s election..as PM here was anything better than him.. People have invaded streets protesting against Trump women have been marching against Trump but nobody say a single word on Your not elected and "over decisional"PM. It takes lots of chutzpah, especially as woman in uk, to march on the streets against some elected racist overseas when in here..... ....we better march on the streets against US president to show we are different from him while here there is an article on deportation nearly every day since brexit on any newspaper....people from EU are receiving letters in order to get ready to leave the country...this(like the one reported on here) kind of "incidents" have gone incredibly up in this country since brexit for EU and not EU! it seems like there is, a part from the agreement with EU, a plan to put pressure on people to leave (bank accounts closed suddenly as not used very often..ppl having to leave UK for 1 year or two as for taking care of old parents abroad and deportated on their way back to uk after 27 years here with husband kids and grandchildren. see the todays guardian)... The only difference with Trump is that He talks more than he does rather here is more viceversa. I personally, a part from the wall thing (but still wait and see for the border in ireland), did not notice any difference in between trump speech and may s speech..but than... ...let s keep pretending there is no problem, let s keep pretending trump is evil and we are good...let s call a racist aggravated assault an "incident"...let s go and march as women against trump while your Female PM goes literally hands in hands with him.. If the one reported on here is an "incident" how comes there is nearly every day such an incident in here and furthermore after how many repetitions an incident becomes an habit..? (for those who do not believe pls feel free to ask for references as i am collecting the articles..) let s just pretend....and good luck!

red devil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've no idea what you're on about JohnL... Same as 50% of the country 100% of europe and 90% of the world with Theresa May! Trump understands Her though..Maybe not able to spell her name but They do understand each other..

yeah I think Seabg is right ..I think You have been given a distorted view ...on pretty much anything.But I think it has to do with Your history.. in football for instance all country is asking itself why they do not deliver a result... my question is: have they ever delivered a result that you so much sure You ll win something..? Where are all this expectations coming from???Now take this meaningless example and put it into brexit.. I Think it s time to think real.. Would the bank system work in here without european and no european workers and money? will the houses business work without foreigners and foreign money? Would You have any food restaurant etc? Are we forgetting 15 yrs ago what was on the supermarket shelves?? Would you have water without the romans..? Time will tell.. Also for those complaining and even more marching against Trump: is there any difference in policy, a part from the wall (so far..maybe in northern ireland soon?) in between Trump and May..? For all the women marching last saturday against Trump: What s the point to march against Trump if Mrs May has pretty much the same policies? ..even more what s the point of english women marching against Trump and send Your best woman the day after to lick his....? I really do not understand this brexit thing. Has anyone told you Mr Cameron had just put controls on the border just before the referendum? You always been in Europe and always done pretty much what you wanted.. Mrs May thought few months ago going out of Europe was the most stupid idea ever...what has changed in few months?? I have been in this country nearly 20 yrs and i love it. A part from going to Iraq that is the most stupid idea I have seen since here. You might, And i hope so, even make it..but does it really make sense to make it with Trump and South Arabia..?? I understand business is business but i find it revolting if my country was licking some trump or south Arabian asses.. Shame on You World is now a worst place..Surely our children will pay the price Money is not good or bad, it s the way you do the money. An artist can be loaded ...a drug dealer can be loaded. You have decided to make money and get protection selling weapons in Arabia and licking Trump ass.. There was really the need to do that???? I personally find it a disgrace for the country

Answering the first question regarding why so much animosity I think it s very simple: It does effect ppl in very day life. As for last recession we, in london, saw it happening maybe 1 year later (depending where you were on the ladder at that time) this one is already started but we ll see negative sooner or later. I have a friend that is leaving his teaching position at University as his worried he might not get the same money anymore on his big house. I have a family friend that runs a mid size business in here with restaurant and shops in centre that is moving warehouse in France...just in case. At my fav market 2 own holders from europe importing delicatessen told me they might not be there after winter as the euro situation is killing main part of their earnings and they are already struggling. All those people and business work in here. they employ other ppl...this other ppl have families kids and bills..they rely on this money. They inject the money back in shops hospital taxes etc Friend of mine told me last year same months after brexit he had 30 viewings in 30 days for his second house. this year same month after brexit he had 3 viewings in 30 days and had to give it for ?50 less pcm..IT IS ALREADY HAPPENING CAUSE SOME PPL AND SINGLE INDIVIDUALS AND COMPANIES ARE ALREADY STRUGGLING. WHAT FOR? we gonna go surely under a few (3 to 5?) years adversity let s say but than I m positive things will get better for sure, Iam positive. BUT THAN WHY undergo these years of struggling of ppl moving business closing ppl losing their job kids etc etc? I thought UK was doing already better than everybody else in Europe and possibly more...is it?? so why?? FURTHERMORE we had already what we wanted from the EU through Cameron himself! PPL didn t want foreigners to come here and stay on the dole stealing tax payers money or situation like that! Thanx to Cameron we had it: IT WAS DECIDED for ppl to come in the country not to be able to take any help or benefit etc....the market will decide. Someone with a brain comes here, he finds job or sets up business and done! Someone else comes with no brain looking for troubles doesn t get job ...can t survive....moves on to another country in europe where they might get help as by european laws...it was so simple TRUTH is that it was all a set up for cameron to go down like already other time happened in this country and others. Than all disappeared, Boris got back in by the from door and WE no them gonna face the consequences of this. IT WASN t a vote about europe it was A POLITICAL VOTE and a VOTE AGAINST that s why ppl fight! Cause it s unbelievable to get out of one of the biggest market of the world. there are others and more but why to get of there if WE HAD ALREADY OBTAINED SPECIAL LAWS TO CORRECT THE "PROBLEM" OF IMMIGRATION IN THIS COUNTRY ALSO pls don t forget that UK lost the same amount of money that would have paid the cost of years in europe in one night only straight after the vote! DON T ALSO forget that areas not as lucky as london, for instance wales and scotland and ireland are still now getting loooots of help IN MONEY from the EU and they (that s why also they want to stay in europe ) really counted on that money to try and improve and live better; same as the families and businesses that are already packing up and going.....ppl have worked very very hard also in here. nobody deserves that as there is no certainty of the future and anyway I DON T REALLY THINK that such a matter should have ever gone to a referendum. not even the best scientist can still determine if brexit is good or bad for UK how can You ask the bus driver the teacher the builder the regular ppl that we all are! Referendum should be for things like divorce or rights etc if you see what i mean.. I think a small business with 4/5 employees shutting down means something like 20 ppl with no or less work including families and business around it. i don t think is any good and even more i think it s a shame. I thought the strength of this country is also the foreigners here. PPL from UK have migrated pretty much all over the world.. I m not an UK CITIZEN but feel very much a londoner after nearly 20 yrs, after going to war looking for weapon of mass destruction. Wish everybody best and fingers crossed..