rendelharris

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > rendelharris Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Full article here, if you're interested > > Arguments either way... I don't think a > laissez-faire approach to employment law is > conclusive evidence of racism, but yes I agree it > does sound very dodgy and undesirable. You're right of course, but I think it at very least shows an "I'm not racist but I don't care if other people are" attitude.

miga Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I have no idea if Farage is a racist - I don't see > how anyone can be certain either way. He is a > populist, though, and did appeal to xenophobic > impulses to get votes, I don't think that's > controversial. > > In the olden days, it is my understanding, UKIP > had something of an academic anti-EU position, > with libertarian guiding principles. There was an > LSE academic named Sked who was the top dog. There > is nothing philosophical or academic about the > party anymore - it's an anti-immigration party, > with the indefensible "faceless bureaucrats" > shtick bolted on for legitimacy. Yes, Sked (a former Liberal candidate) formed the party as a single-issue anti-Maastricht (sp?) party but was forced out by Farage and others who decided he was too intellectual. After he'd left he said that UKIP had been taken over by far-right and racist elements.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ???? Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I don't like his politics or campaigning but > ... > > I'm not sure being anti-European immigration > technically counts as racism. > > Same here, as much as I dislike him, I don't find > his position inherently racist (although some > campaign material might be). Foolish, wrong, and > divisive, but not necessarily racist. Of course we > all know that plenty of people voted out for > racist or xenophobic reasons (consciously or > unconsciously), but it would be foolish to label > half the country as small-minded bigots. Quoted in the Daily Telegraph of all places (so not some "middleclass liberal journal"): Phillips asks: ?In Ukip-land there would be no law against discrimination on the grounds of nationality. Would there be a law against discrimination on the grounds or race or colour?? ?No,? Nigel Farage responds. Full article here, if you're interested, which makes a pretty convincing case that Farage is a racist: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11467713/No-dogs.-No-blacks.-No-Irish-is-now-Ukip-policy.html

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Right there is where you lost the crowd and came > over like an arse. Well, I wasn't arguing for a crowd but against one person who thinks I'm an arse anyway, so I'll try not to lose too much sleep over it.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I voted remain. The fact you think otherwise Just > illustrates the inflexibility of your binary, > simplistic world view. My point is that if people > hadn't dismissed the concerns of people about > immigration as 'racist' and engaged with them and > let a discussion develop then my feel is the > outcome would have been different but it was > closed down by the 'bigots' of the left on the > grounds of bigotry, ironically. You see, that's rather revealing: nowhere did I say I thought you voted for Brexit, and in fact I know you didn't as you've mentioned that you voted Remain several times on various threads. But you've created a scenario in your head that I assume you voted Brexit, so you can then say that shows how closed minded I am.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > No but it is, isn't it. And it's the exact > 'liberal' viewpoint that has helped push us to > Brexit. You and your closed and simplistic world > views help explain exactly why so many people > voted Brexit. Interesting point of view; so rather than blame those who voted for Brexit for the result, it's actually the fault of those who voted to stay in. With that sort of ability to twist the facts to suit your argument you should go into politics yourself, or at least get a job at the Ministry of Truth.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "Scum of the first order" hello fellow bigot. I don't mind that at all, if regarding racist rabble rousing populist nationalist politicians like Farage as scum makes me a bigot in your eyes I'll wear the badge with pride.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I don't care about the grammmar lesson. Spelling, not grammar (note spelling). Your comment simply reflects your bigotry, just because it's against those you regard as 'liberal' doesn't make it any less bigoted. "Bigotry: Intolerance towards those who hold different opinions to yourself." Seeing as per above you have recently called people who disagree with you "precious w@nkers" etc, you seem to fit the definition perfectly.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Oh such sanctomy - yes teacher. You come across as > a self righteous pompous twat, so the feeling is > mutual but I hadn't made a habit of following > posting sepecifically about you which you seem to > have done to me STALKER ALERT If I were to stalk someone then simply for my own amusement I'd choose someone a good deal more articulate, less bigoted and with better manners than yourself. "Sanctimony" and "specifically" by the way, and self-righteous has a hyphen; if you're going to have a stab at the big words do try to get them right.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > No I'm not come and give me a stern lecture . Are > you my new stalker? Seems like it. Don't flatter yourself, as you splatter this forum with rude and aggressive comments one doesn't have to stalk you to come across your aggressive arrogant ill mannered posts and find them both boring and irritating.

???? Wrote: I'm not sure being anti-European immigration technically counts as racism. He's also against immigration from just about everywhere else and very against accepting any refugees. "I'm loving the newer gentler kind of politics." Seeing as over the last few days, just in the posts I've seen you've called people who disagree with you "w@nkers," "precious w@nkers," told them they're "pissing in the wind" and that you've "always enjoyed" being a hater, I'm not sure you're contributing much in that area yourself, are you?

Seconded JoeLeg, scum of the first order.

Lordship 516 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I haven't used a spreadsheet since the 90s, very > rarely get excited about economics & have access > to a SPARC T4 midrange computer [64 bit] linked to > a SPARC M7 minicluster [256 bit] running > customized software. > > Our group can outgun any university except for > MIT. Sorry to boast a little but you provoked > that. Oh I think that's forgiveable...???? got owned!

TheArtfulDogger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Three doctors are involved in a fatal car crash > and find themselves standing at the pearly gates > of heaven. > > The gates swing open and St. Peter steps out to > meet them > > To the first doctor he asks "what's your name and > what did you do on earth? " > > To which the first doctor replies "I'm doctor > Kevin Brown and I'm a gynaecologist" > > St. Peter sucks his teeth, looks at a list and > then proclaims "I am so sorry Doctor Brown, heaven > is rather full and we don't have a need for > another gynaecologist, it's off to hell for you" > and the doctor vanishes in a puff of smoke. > > St. Peter then asks the same question to the > second doctor, who replies > "I'm Doctor John Green and I'm a heart surgeon " > > St. Peter looks at his list and says "oh gosh > Doctor Green, a very noble profession but everyone > here has a perfect and pure heart, I am so sorry > it is hell for you" and doctor green vanishes in a > puff of smoke > > The third doctor not believing his eyes says to > St. Peter "I guess it's hell for me too?" And St. > Peter says "not until you tell me your name and > profession" > > The third doctor says "I'm John Smith and I am a > doctor too" > > "Okay" says St. Peter "what sort of doctor are > you?" > > Dejectedly Doctor Smith says "I am sure you don't > want me, I am a psychologist" > > "Ahh brilliant" cries St. Peter "come on in , you > are just the man we need, God thinks he is Jeremy > Corybn!" Jeez that was a long run for an unfunny short slide...

Quiche becomes a cheese 'n' ham flan, obviously. Jeremy Hardy used to have a good routine about how the French, if they became English, would exchange "Joie de vivre" for "Alors, musn't grumble."

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Middle class radicals have done as much more to > wreck working class lives as anyone else. Class > traitor rubbish - the cry of spoilt middle class > lefties when the plebs don't do what they want > them to. Stay in your place proletarian person. Yeah, bloody Atlee and the health service and that, council housing, union rights, all attempts to wreck working class lives. Whereas the right have really done wonders for the working class, which is why we're currently living in such a utopia. Silly person.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Agree with that. And I've always enjoyed been one. > But many of his recent critics haven't always been > haters, by any means. Although his acolytes swear > and shout at them 'blairites' plus added > explicits. Bunch of middle class pretend > revolutionary @#$%&*ers in the main. Give me a middle class pretend revolutionary over a working class Tory any day of the week - the former is probably misguided trying to do his/her best, the latter is a traitor to their class trying to do his/her best for themselves and devil take the hindmost. Enjoying being a hater isn't really much to be proud of.

Elphinstone's Army Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Salsaboy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Perhaps Elphinstone Army is a MILF. > > > yes she is. without a doubt. eat your hearts out > sexist, misogynist, bullying, domineering, > mobbing, churlish and parochial posters, of either > gender, with a toss of my short blonde hair I am > off to the > Picture House, carry on without me, I'm out of > here. Good answer Elph, keep marching (though with better success than your namesake).

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > He can do no wrong to his cult can he? Just as much as he can do no right to the haters, I guess.

EDMP Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Lol wow you take life way too seriously! Lighten > up a little bit, I'm not a sexual predator I'm a > young adult and love my older women :) so was just > complimenting them! Pass the sickbag, Alice...

Lordship 516 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You cannot combine both trade unions just to get a > result that suits your argument > 22.47% voted to go on strike > 75.51% exercised their freedom not to vote > > Total electorate Dulwich & West Norwood 113,754 > Voter Turnout 51,362 > Helen Hayes 27,772 > % of electorate that voted for her 24.41% > Much the same for most MPs but no one claims they > are not legitimately elected > > Abstension = acceptance of result I'll file that under "points I wish I'd thought of making" - nice one.

exdulwicher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I was always under the impression that central > London where distances were measured from was > Trafalgar Square. However The Knowledge that taxi > drivers do is a 6-mile radius from Charing Cross. > Not that there's more than about 300m in it anyway > but it's an interesting discrepancy. As the Hackney Carriage Act of 1831 predates the erection of the Victorian Charing Cross (1863) I'd guess the taxi licensing authorities still take their measurement from the original Charing Cross site (which is from where central London distances are measured, as per above, there's a plaque round the back of the Charles I statue marking the point) - be interested if anyone can confirm or refute this?

uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You can't combine the NASUWT and the NUT- teachers > specifically avoid the NUT because they are so > militant and so join the other unions (ATL, Voice > (formerly P.A.T- 20,000 members and a no-strike > policy) because ALL teachers need Union support > for one reason or another. It's funny how a union is called militant for defending the rights of teachers and children, but nobody calls a government militant for slashing education budgets, dicking around with the curriculum on ideological grounds and rejigging the educational landscape so their pals can start taking massive profits from it (Lord Peckham et al). Worth noting the NUT didn't strike between 1987 and 2008 and that teacher strikes are still very rare, but of course the second teachers do strike, after protracted attempts to engage the government in dialogue and being met with nothing but stonewalling, they're instantly accused of being loony left militants.

Robert Poste's Child Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > According to the news, Gove is now under pressure > from govt ministers to withdraw to give Theresa > May a clear field. That would be a fantastic dummy on Boris and would be very cheering - though I fear it might give him a "wronged martyr" status with the Tory rank and file which might facilitate him leading a coup against May at a later date.

DuncanW Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Rendel - you are quite right about that. The vote > is valid. > I don't support the strike though and am just > pointing out that as a great majority of teachers > have not voted for it*, I don't feel not > supporting the strike equates to not valuing the > work teachers do. > > NUT membership = 308,569 > *24.5% who voted = 75,599 > * 91.7% in favour = 69,324 > Combined NUT & NASUWT membership = 591,459 > So that's less than 12% of union members that have > voted for this I see your point, though I still think it relies too heavily on assuming that a failure to vote means a lack of support. We shall see the true level of support by the numbers who come out next week.