Woof And in '86, Argentina were the better team, so it was ok for Maradona to cheat, as it helped get the better team through. And lets face it England were never going to win it. It would be nice to have the chance of winning it though (and an excuse for a holiday/lots more nights in the Castle). I know you are only having a bt of fun btw, but when Ladygooner made a similar point yesterday, about playoff teams not having a chance of winning it, I think she meant it.