Kingsbury David

I've been posting the same things everywhere who have raised this issue. Allowing a failed state/s was part of the original plan, and Greece and others similar have been used to sacrifice the people for the greater integration which will be offered as the only solution for the deliberate problem created when Greece was allowed in when guaranteed to fail. This is the first test of the system, and considering it is not chaotic or unexpected then presumably neither will the outcome be. The welfare of the Greek people has been sacrificed to strengthen the EU and another unwanted move towards full integration. Ignore the media, if they really left the whole system governing the world (ie the UN/EU and all those behind them) will no longer be omnipotent, which currently I believe they are, although with the internet once enough people learn their methods will no longer be. But currently that is a long way off. The Commission make the rules, the parliament discuss and approve them, and we pay. The Euro itself allows those in charge (ie the Germans) to reduce their currency to vastly increase exports, and thus win the war despite appearing to lose it. If allowed to continue their and the French power and wealth will increase while the others will lose out. How far towards full integration do we need to go before people notice it?

I can add to this one! I went to see them years ago in a friendly against Millwall and got Tim Cahill's autograph. He's done rather well since then. I also went to Crystal Palace v Notts Forest with at least two England players on the pitch, David Platt and Dave Beasant, who got sent off for apparently handling the ball outside the area and the sub had to come on for the penalty which I think was saved. I wouldn't be surprised if others here saw the match as well, it was a real cracker.

Long time no see (I live across the water so barely connected) but have just found Lambeth have allowed a couple more signs to survive on their estates, these two a mile from you in West Dulwich (near enough for me). http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7231/7280397002_50bb6fa83a_n.jpg http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8153/7280399346_c40f75cbdf_n.jpg Otherwise I haven't stopped collecting, and completed all known examples in London and the home counties. Lambeth have begun removing these now from their estates, apparently the only speed limit with its circle still on has gone now and I have the only known picture of it. But if anyone's spotted anything I've missed tucked away in the back doubles always add it here.

You have asked the right question for me as I have done it a number of times in the opposite direction. The best rule is keep it simple. Get on the A205 at Tulse Hill and stay on it until Clifford Avenue, Sheen. Then stay on the major road as the A205 turns right at the lights, go straight on into Richmond and then follow the little one way to the left and then you hit a mini roundabout with Richmond Bridge to the right. Turn right over the bridge into East Twickenham and left at the first lights after going through the little shopping street. That leads to Twickenham centre via Marble Hill and St Margarets (about a mile), drive the length of it through a few sets of lights and the shops till you reach the main lights bang in the middle of Twickenham. Then you turn left which is the road following the river and will lead you into Teddington although when you get to the crossroads at Ferry Lane the right turn gets you into Broad Street which is the very centre of the shopping bit, but basically every road on the right beyond Strawberry Hill gets you into Teddington. If they're not digging up the road at Richmond it's not always bad but know what you mean, if you want to avoid it do as suggested and stay on the A3 at East Hill junction and use Kingston Bridge as it is a faster road although a bit further. I'm sure I've repeated many earlier replies but as I can do the route in my head and see all the shops and junctions I hope I've added some features to guide you so you know you're at the right spot once you leave the South Circular. I drove through Wandsworth yesterday between Ham and Clapham and was clear in the middle of the afternoon (there and back) for the first time in my life, and besides Clapham High Street I hit no traffic at all either way. I am still pretty amazed and hope you have the same experience.

skidmarks Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > These guys on this site have a thread somewhere in > their forum listing where all these old signs > are. > > http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/ I know, I wrote it >:D<

Preservation is a last resort and many signs are already in museums, but that would be like putting a lion in a cage in a zoo. It's not where any belong. The Court Lane sign is the north end by the park where it splits in three at Calton Avenue.

No problem Anna, you were correct about me complaining about the paper using any old junk except my sign story but was not having a pop at the site at all. Now what on earth is the old signs replaced headline about? Something tells me that's a little photoshop creation although I have come across many real headlines almost that naff they wouldn't all have been in the one paper or they'd have gone the same way as the gun. Got me for nearly a minute though before the penny dropped.

Thanks tasty_snacks. Dulwich Village only has two left (from five in 2008) and the one on Court Lane really needs a clean as covered in moss. I clean all the ones I can reach but not possible for the high ones. Unlike two hours for a no entry (the brushes cost me ?2 for the lot and paint was already in my garage) it takes ten minutes to wipe moss and mud off with a damp cloth. And yes, they not only are far better made and designed than the new ones but give us over 40s a link with our childhood. The government's line that removing text actually makes them confusing is the biggest pile of doubletalk bs I've heard in a long while. As on direction signs you only want the places (many which were removed were not even replaced so people will guarantee to be confused) and information signs the symbols were mainly retained but lost the text. And adding that is confusing? A definite case of spin at the highest level. I only discovered recently the new designs in 1964 were mainly chosen to pave our entry into the then common market by bending to the homogenic mediocrity that covered the continent. Why have quality and style when you can be like everyone else?

annaj Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I had some tools nicked from my garage along with > next door but didn't consider calling the papers > > David, I don't think anyone called the papers. I > think a local journalist just picked up the story > from the forum and ran it. > There seems to be a feeling that this is the forum > trying to gain publicity, which I'm sure it > wasn't. As buggie already said, a forum as popular > as this doesn't really need to drum up interest > through the SLP. > And when someone has been threatened, even if what > you say is true and it is a common occurance on an > internet forum, it's a bit rude to suggest it's > all attention seeking isn't it? Sorry Anna, my sarcasm and irony clearly ended in a different galaxy from you, I was taking the pee out of the newspaper. Why you thought I was accusing the forum of setting the whole thing up is a mystery to me as that never occurred to me at all.

There was a guy who did this for hundreds a time on the underground, approaching other religious Jews as a good excuse to be trusted as he was as well. He carried it on for months before finally being caught and convicted of fraud earlier this year, these people plan their stories and modus operandi and treat it as a career. Better to never offer a penny to any stranger who approaches you full stop as it's highly unlikely to be genuine. The same goes for those awful people who stop you in the street for charity who also make a nice living from it. Just because some of the money goes to charity (not all as they get well paid from part of your donations) they are no different at all and should also be banned and made illegal.

Hello Barry, and thanks for offering the service. I collected Edmondson tickets till the final day (South Merton in your region) in 1988. If you know of any knocking around you'd be remembered in my prayers! I knew all the staff in Dulwich and south London generally, and was a huge selection of old colour pre-1977 tickets in all three stations I was generously given whenever I turned up with my bag. Whenever I passed a station for years I'd pop in and say hello and many staff were there 20 years later including Greenwich. One of my friends now is a station manager I met in 1990 or so and there are not actually that many enthusiasts working there, most saw no interest in the actual history and it was just a job to them. I would have worked as a ticket collector but when I needed to they'd just removed the Edmondsons and had no reason to any longer. Those were the days.

Bloody Hell. I had some tools nicked from my garage along with next door but didn't consider calling the papers. But it's a sad day when they interviewed me and the council about their pulling up all the old signs in Lordship Lane (er, at their request) and didn't use it but consider it newsworthy to report what is a regular event on every forum in the world. Does that mean if I say something rude (and presumably get banned as a result) I'll stand more chance of getting in the SLP? What a country...

Another reason we need a forum like this in each London area. I'm mature as well (age at least) and single and were it not for the fact it can take me less time to get to Birmingham (120 miles) than Dulwich (15 miles) I would turn up as well. I can do it now and then but wouldn't wish that trip on myself or vice versa long term. My first girlfriend was in Blackheath but I was a lot younger and fitter then and there was no congestion charge either. I wish I could drum up enough support for a do up this way but the key here is you already know each other so meet as friends even if never met in person. Going in cold is just like every other planned event and totally painful.

I wish you luck keeping the service. Although I only have a very poor train service north of the river if I lived in a BR area and trains actually ran every 15 minutes or so I would use them if they went where I needed. They bang on about getting people out of their cars (not sure why though) and then one by one dismantle the public transport system. I collected the old train tickets and know a number of services that closed while I did so. I found a cache of them stored in the closed office at Wandsworth Road from the old East Brixton which closed in the early 70s. Our local Primrose Hill could serve thousands of commuters in Camden but as it was on another little loop they hated routing trains there and although it retained a booking office was reduced to two trains a day. The old trick is they make a station impossible to use and then apply for closure from low usage. And when I had to go to New Cross recently considered taking the train and what? It's suspended. As long as public transport is run for profit this will always happen and a national system where the busy lines support the quiet ones is the only way to keep a proper system, and the buses. I'm no way Labour but public services are an exception to the free market as they are a natural monopoly and can only run properly if remain so.

It just shows if enough people ask enough councils sooner or later one will get a result. Fingers crossed the pair of old signs in Sydenham will be repainted along with the one on Lambeth Bridge. Interestingly I was told it costs an arm and a leg to do so but having done so myself with one slung out by a council do wonder why. Now recently I found possibly one of only two working old no entry signs in Britain my near to local library. It wasn't obvious as you can see as the paint had worn off the words but the shape pointed me to it. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3306/3494558038_d5a9b876ce_m.jpg Being close to me and easy to fix I called both them and the much further Hackney council about a small speed limit on a now closed road. They ignored me but the library replied instantly and were only too pleased to have me paint it. I went there yesterday and this is how it looked after two hours. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2465/3578260659_52bee9ac62_m.jpg There are tens of similar signs around London that can have the same treatment and they have the resources but is the exception to repaint, we are lucky they even keep them at all. But kudos to Camden and Kingston councils who have done a lovely job on theirs and hopefully Lambeth and Lewisham if all goes to plan there. It's our history and should never wipe out all traces of the past in the name of blind policy.