pk

i don't bother responding to most of this stuff, but i can't believe how much people go on about kids - what is the problem? it's not exactly as you want it? but what is? as pointed out on this thread there are many places that are child free or very nearly - but if that ain't enough for you why not open your own place and have whatever rules you want?

not been to the Rosendale so can't judge it, but of those i've been to (and there's a few) my favourite is definitely the Anchor and Hope on the Cut

LostThePlot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Louisa Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I find parking at kings a complete nightmare > Fully agree, though you can park in the garden > centre next to it for a fiver. That always seems > to have spaces. > > >I just hope in their wisdom the hospital > > trust will consider some sort of underground > > parking facility or buying up land nearby (if > any > > exists). > > I'd rather they spend money on patients, I have to > be honest.... as a regular visitor when the mrs was in and out i agree that the garden centre's very handy in working hours outside that the roads round the top of the park are unrestricted parking also agree that this should not be a priority of the trust - i'd rather have the park my one gripe tho is that when i parked in the official parking out front to take the mrs to have the baby delivered due to complications i didn't leave the hospital for over 24 hours and got lumbered with a ?60 fee to leave the car park - i'd have been better off getting a ticket

is it not the case that once you get enough people in a pub, be they parents, children or people looking for a child-free environment, some of them will be badly behaved or behave in a way that offends others? it's just the way of the world - but to generalise to all in a category isn't really valid

my guess would be that those aren't their given names, but rather names they have adopted as their punters couldn't be bothered to make an effort to pronounce their real names correctly might be wrong

Keef Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As an aside, I love the way a lot of these older > shop keepers from India have names like George, > Michael and Harry ;-) have you ever thought why it is like that?

Mark Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > and as the rapper Fur Q once said, you gotta shoot > people to get respect from people but you can't > shoot all the people because then there'll be > no-one left to respect you. and anyone who can use phil collins as an inspiration for a song like Uzi Lover definitely knows what they're talking about

MadWorld74 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > the thing is Jah Lush that we have become so > conditioned and de-sensitized to guns and their > presence in our society, that something like this > happens and people take no notice. Guns should not > be part of any society unless you live up in the > Glens/Dales and hunt for a living. There have been > loads of hold ups recently and people?s responses > have generally been "oh well". No, sorry, it's > wrong. obviously it's wrong and the response has been to call the police whose job it is to deal with criminals - what else do you want people to do?

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Why are so many people hung up on the idea of a > gay bar, why not just mix in any pub and if you > fancy someone approach them in there, whats the > worst that can happen? Surely being gay has come a > long way since the days of seedy hangouts in soho? > Good grief.. but on the other hand if a group want to mix together in a bar that is targeted at them, why does it bother you?

bald marauder Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > does anyone know of anything exciting > that's going on later in the day? (We went to the > Lambeth County Fair and Latinamerican carnival > last weekend and had a great time at both.) > there's a west indian and african festival at burgess park on Sat and a latin american one on sunday - complete with carnival parade (totally different scale to the peckham rye one)

Nero Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > so why don't the people that do live there at least spend > as much time trying to do somethign about it as > they do writing on EDF? what like open up a branch of Marks and Spencers?

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > pk you must be one of the lucky ones then. Peckham > has a high concentration of criminal activity > which has sadly made the headlines more than once > in recent years. I am not proud of the way the > area has gained this reputation, and I would like > to see a stop it. I have had my handbag snatched > twice now along Rye Lane, and I now very rarely > venture down there. I now take a longer route to > Denmark Hill or sometimes ED station just so I can > avoid Peckham, and this is coming from a true > local who has been shopping in Peckham since I was > a child with my parents. The area has changed, and > I am not the only person afraid to shop down > there. You are often literally putting your life > at risk, and this is not an exaggeration. Older > people can be particuarly frightened. i am sorry to here that you have been a victim of crime in peckham and am willing to accept that i may have been lucky to date(and realistic enough to realise that being a 30 something 6'3" 16 stone bloke may make my perspective different) - so i am geuninely interested in other peoples experiences i think that are obvious high profile cases, but the ones which spring up first to my mind involve kids rather than people going shopping or whatever

and as for all the talk of 'lawlessness' and the like i've spent a lot of time in and around rye lane day and night, in civvies and in suits and in various states of intoxication and have not been the target of any lawlessness - so is this just perceived by people on this board, or have people actually fallen victim to criminals in the area? (i appreciate that if you have this may have been disturbing, so i am genuinely sorry)

everyone's on about 'big names' but retail is a pretty simple game of supply and demand - retailers tend not to close thriving shops, so may be the market that you lot seem to want isn't actually what the rest of peckham punters want (and they, as I, might even live in Peckham)? but aside from that there are surely many more 'big names' in peckham than ED anyway - a google search for outlets on Rye Lane (so i don't promise it's 100% current, but most of them are still def there) shows e.g. Abbey, Argos, Barclays, Boots, Carphone Warehouse, Cheltenham & Gloucester, Dollond and Aitchison, Halifax, Holland & Barrett, HSBC, Iceland, JD Sports, KFC, Kinleigh Folkard & Hayward, Lloyds TSB, McDonalds, Mothercare, Nationwide, Phones4u, Post Office, Primark, Specsavers, Superdrug, WH Smiths, Morrisons, Woolworths (from a list that came up when i googled for shops on RL, so apologies if any inaccuracies) so surely if large names are the route to success then Rye Lane out does Lordship Lane?

Keef Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > pk, I don't think that's fair to Ghostlymaiden. As > far as I can see, she (?) has made no comment to > suggest that she's a racist, or that she doesn't > like anyone from other countries. > > For my part, I think Peckham has turned in to a > complete sh!t hole, Rye Lane does stink, and North > Peckham has always been somewhere you didn't want > to be on a Friday night! This is a real shame, > because I remember it being really nice when I was > a kid. it's not fair to ask a question (when i really don't understand the reference to any referundum, it seems ridiculous)? and i think that it's certainly implied that some of the white residents are not happy about the 'multicultural mix'(and i think a suggestion that she might agree)

ghostlymaiden Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > There was no referendum on whether the > local community wanted the vast changes brought > about by immigration so you want a right to vote on who your neighbours are? (presumbaly will vote against them if they're are foreign)

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think all the money pumped into Peckham was a > complete waste of time. It did not solve any of > the major issues and it did not attract any decent > shops back to the area. What a waste of taxpayers > money that was.. Oh yeah, you have a new library.. > great! attracting decent shops is important? may be didn't SOLVE any of the major issues, but depends what those issues are (aside from decent shops)- may be nice coffee bars? and there's no value in e.g. the library, the pulse, the new health centre, demolishing the North Peckham Estate? I just don't get some people

gotta agree that there's a lot of truth in Bob's post - a cock is indeed a cock regardless of class

sean - i wouldn't judge you at all, unless you did something remarkable that attracts attention (which may then make me think 'he seems like a nice guy' or otherwise, depending on what you'd done). as such couldn't agree more that you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover

i haven't time to respond to all of the above on a case by case basis, but to summarise - i am not against change (certainly not when it is for the better), the middle classes (i guess i am as much a part of it as someone of immigrant stock can be) and i am very realistic about the ways of the world but what i am against is not so much 'poncyness' as 'snobbishness' and arrogance of which i think that there is plenty in ED i understand some of the 'if you don't like it move on' stuff but to be honest i don't necessarily agree - if there are SOME elements of an area/town/community that you like less it doesn'e mean that you don't on balance like the whole (obviously i do), but liking the whole does not mean that you would not like to change the parts that you don't like

It?s not such a terrible question tho is it? There?s a lot of ?ponciness? in ED and even some on this board ? looking at the active threads today ? there?s a lot of ?there?s f*** all in Peckham that?s any good, we want ?nice? things? whereas actually the reason e.g. Rye Lane is so busy and ?smelly? is that it?s an important street for many of the residents of SE15, where they get what they need. No it isn?t LL but lots of locals don?t want it to be ? they want and need e.g. afro hairdressers and ?smelly? food shops There?s also moaning about regular pubs, buses, boots sandwiches (which are all common in many ?normal? peoples? lives) and four pages about the failure of a local bar to satisfy a customer?s off the menu order The word in the thread title is ?poncey? but may be it could just as easily been ?snobby?? It really wasn?t like this when I first lived in the area and I reckon that someone was right up the thread what?s happened in gentrification, not regeneration gentrify verb to change a place from being a poor area to a richer one, by people of a higher social class moving to live there: The area where I grew up has been all modernized and gentrified, and has lost all its old character. regenerate (IMPROVE) verb to improve a place or system, especially by making it more active or successful

miss G and T Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Good Lord Louisa, what is your problem! Did your > mother not tell you that if you've got nothing > nice to say don't say anything at all?? and what's the nice thing in this post? or in most of the complaints on this thread?

as a newbie myself may be i'm overstepping the mark in thanking frisco for the contribution, but thanks i was tempted to raise your issue about not everyone who suffers from a disability meets everyone's stereotype of what a disabled person looks like when someone up the thread said that they challenged people to prove to him/her that they were diabled if they didn't look disabled to them, but wasn't sure that it'd be well recieved

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My mother is 88, she drives, and she has been > registered as disabled now for 25 years or more > because of severe arthritis. She is still able to > drive, and she would be quite happy to park > slightly further away and give up her space for > someone else. Then you come across the guy who has > a fake disabled badge (VERY easy to get hold of), > and he gets to park where he likes because no one > ever checks these badges. The whole thing is a > farce, those who deserve them dont want them, and > those who want to flaunt the law park anywhere > they like. Their really isnt any point in these > special spaces. They make no difference at all! and it follows that as people commit benefit fraud that the benefit system should be abolished?

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > why should a disabled person > have priority to park somewhere when others have > to park miles away and walk ??!! cos they're disabled??!! and may be can't walk like 'others'