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Sephiroth I am saying it is not the pandemic that justifies the actions. I have had it myself and almost died, I am aware of different threats to myself unlike some who have had to rely on the system protecting them. This has not happened. The other people are the doctors, economists, scientists and lawyers who are growing as the time goes on. And the damage is obvious. Although some people believe there is not enough silencing, tending to put everyone, regardless of there qualifications,under the idea they are all conspiracy theorists. Some even putting profession people in the terrorist group.

Sephiroth Why the need to silence people. The core message has been a multiple of mistakes, contradictions, wrong datas, and has taken people lives. The number is not clear. A pandemic would see people dying in the street, I can't even hear a cough. People are dying in there houses from fear.

This link is an interview with Professor Bhattacharya a medical officer Stanford University. Along with ither scientists who are speaking out against the lockdowm. He states fear driven by the unknown has caused greater risk from the lockdown than the virus. In US 1 in 4 young adults in the month of June seriously considered suicide. People stayed at homewhen suffering heart attacks and stroke from fear.worldwide 130million additional people at risk from starvation. He absolutely disagrees methods being used saying its the single biggest public health mistake he has seen in his career. More scientists are speaking out and hopefully this cancelling of voices will stop. I would like to see more of scientists with different opinions sharing platforms. Instead of this fear of losing your livelyhood for different opinions. We know vulnerable people are at risk, death is a reality for those people, yes it can be scary as it was last year going into seasonal changes. I say this as someone who recognises my own choices on keeping myself safe. Yes there are vulnerable people who need different levels of care and people who provide that for them. This is where the focus and help needs to be. I believe the level of fear is so widespread it is taking this focus away.

Insult ha ha, have a look at your own behaviour, I'm actually going ignore you as I don't like your insulting circular talking rubbing off on me. And its boring. Anyway its not a good enough excuse for me, its not a conversation. Bye.

You keep spouting the same old fears. How many people unable to see and support there loved ones especially the vulnerable. Of course you agree with shutting people down. Under the pretence of some moral high ground. How liberal.

https://metro.co.uk/video/son-told-moving-chair-fathers-funeral-2263250/ Fact or fiction, yeah only following orders. Blah blah lets see how effective these rules are. Disgusting, is this how you like to see people complying. How many people do you think can be treated this way, justify this inhumanity. Few thousand, I wonder whats next, they've got to increase restrictions especially after that burger the other night.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/summary-of-the-ons-report-on-deaths-registered-weekly-in-england-and-wales-29nd-september/ This chart clearly shows the excess number of deaths at home.

ianr That is not hospital admissions your link, I will try to find the papers I read tomorrow, who knows we might find there's been another error by then. we also must remember regardless if someone is in hospital with unrelated problems to Covid19 but tests positive this does not give an accurate picture. As we have also seen time and time again.

CD is when actions contradict beliefs eg. when someone holds and believes pharmaceuticals are not to be trusted then they have there children vaccinated. It is only cog diss if you experience discomfort and have an awareness of the inconsistency of it whilst holding conflicting beliefs. I reckon I"ve got a high tolerance for uncertainty and ainconsistencies. I think scientist who spend there lifes looking for hard facts probably have a bigger problem with cognitive dissonance.

repeating yourself Blah Blah. Couldn"t resist it. double post is one thing.

Blah blah where are you getting your flu stats from? There are more hospital cases of flu at the moment. Im out on circular talk. I will follow the court hearings hoping in the mean time the only hope the deaths related with the measures do"t overtake the flu figures. also the study into how many people die from the positive test. obviously this is the important question. Have you any figures on the deaths in relation with the tests since they"ve upped them. Glad to hear lawyers are using the law to get questions answered from a state that would rather close down conversation. and repeat the same fear tactics. As a scientist you must surely have read enough studies on the impact of fear, psychologically and physically.

Seenbeen I don"t get closing burger bars. If all the restrictions they"ve put in place since the beginning had stopped the deaths estimated. why has it continued removing our freedoms and dictating when we can laugh, sing, move and breath.

The lawyers link I added above particularly looks at the RT PCR test. The point being made around these positive results is, without them there is no other proof of a pandemic. The question of accuracy along with many other mistakes around data also needs investigated. Lawyer dr Reiner Fuellmich along with others are taking legal action against the German government. Regardless of the questioning on reliability with this test and continuing mistakes with the stats, they continue to be held up as proof of a pandemic.

Johnl what is the curfew about then if its not about covid. Singing, dancing, mingling etc or shod we not make a fuss about any Newlaws that have been proved to help physical and mental health. No a burger may not fall into that category but it shows the contradictions with a few weeks of how our Governments concerns of getting businesses back by subsidising millions of meals, bringing people together then decides to change all that. Of course the law is for protection of the people.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/gsOquVaRDSTK/ Lawyer from Covid Investigative Committee, Germany.

as much as I love about science, I do believe it can confine conciousness and attempt to cancel out other abilities. it feels like it is being weighed up as hard facts even though we know through the contradictory advice given, the facts heve not been clear and it has created the most cruellest of conditions. Now this might sound weird to some but intuitively do we as humans want our loved ones to fear dying , seperated from there family. Is there nothing to be learned from all these other things that make us human. Have we been so filled with fear to allow the vulnerable in society to be tortured under the name of protection. I won*t go into the suicides as Blah blah is convinced a crank like me couldnt see the benefits of these rules around mental wellbeing. Science at its worse.

Sephiroth youve got to be taking the piss, more aggresive. Who is my ally? Oh I get it. I assume you mean Robbie I also assume you must feel you are an ally of blah blah. where in your head it is all right to accuse people of being cranks and when they react, which by the way was not to you, it is aggresive. Herd mentality I believe its called. how weird is it to recognise what is happening through these measures and allow yourself to feel it is wrong. Engaging with people who think it is weird to not agree with thousands dying beacuse of measures implemented ,against the millions that might die, you know all the ones that have been saved . because of the never ending rules that people are getting more confused by. it all makes sense does it. Like the burger place fined a thousand pound for serving before 10 but burger wasn"t ready to 10.04. probably part of the bringing business back.

you also have aproblem recognising the cinflict within science but then when you choose to take away peoples credentials and see them as cranks whether it be doctors immunologist ets its no surprise you believe yourself to be qualified to challenge any science the strays into these scaryn rabbit holes your so frightened of. what is your qualifications.

Blah blah, I worry you may have some sort of psychological herd mentality hysteria. You should stop reading all these sites you believe can lead to rabbit holes. I almost forgot, you have appointed yourself the truth giver with a mission to make sure that truth doesnt slip into a place where it would conflict with your own views, you are extremely predictable, a circular talker, waiting on the next bit of advice, so you can feel the governments struggle. What do you think about an enquiry?

https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-corona-extra-parliamentary-inquiry-committee-necessary/5725041 Why Germany's corona extra-parliamentary inquiry committee is necessary. Although many are prepared to believe the advice regardless of contradictions, not only in advice given but in there own interpretations of that advice. It is impossible to ignore the damage caused and continueing.

https://www.weblyf.com/2020/09/transcript-of-dr-heiko-schonings-interview-after-his-release-from-uk-prison/ A link Dr Heiko Schoning, German doctor arrested after Trafalgar Square demo.

People I know who see themselves as left thinking have for a few years felt issues around tolerance, free speech, recognising different views and being open to listen and respect others whilst understanding some opposing opinions may create a distance. Not a distance that can't be closed over other issues.What I have noticed over the years is a growing need to be right. This seems to be part of this culture that sees others with different viewpoints as dangerous, nutters etc. When people take this to an extreme especially in groups it blurs the definition of what they stand for and both begin to behave in a similiar way. My children tried to persuade me to vote Labour at the last election, I gave it some thought, attended the hustings but couldnt bring myself to vote to get Tories out, although U wanted them out. I voted the greens, although told why I shouldn't I decided for myself although it felt it was the best out a bad bunch. My son has said to me through these Covid times, he thinks it may have been worse if labour had got in. As labour may have went that extra mile with keeping Us Safe whilst ignoring the cruellest measures of the most vulnerable, and the removal of our rights which I believe may have been even more forceful if they had won proving they put people before money.

TheCat. I've had similiar problems over the years on this forum, with people making wrong assumptions about me, probably because we are limited by not seeing people. I say that from a personal level as it is easier for me to talk in person. I am not clear with words. I am genuinely puzzled by Blah blahs reaction to your posts, I find your them clear and cannot see how he has reached his assumptions. I have many friends who have been active in gay/womans rights over many years. Who up to now would see themselves as left thinking. They feel they have not only been silenced but banned from participating from meetings being told they are hateful, for wanting discussion. The last few years we have seen police turning up at peoples doors, who are as confused as the accused on why they are there. Checking on peoples thinking, we have seen this not only with gender issues. We have seen it in decisions to allow certain people to have a voice whilst not allowing others who wish to be heard they are ridiculed conspiracy theorist, nutjobs, lunatics. Discussion often brings choice and I feel the more our choices are under threat the more discussions are being shutdown and vice versa.

blah blah I am responding before I google Q anon, which I have heard mention before but honestly have no idea of what it means nor the story you attatch to it. I can say it is worrying time if people start taking it into there own hands in dealing with pedophiles in this manner. Apart from the obvious scenario of innocent people getting hurt. What do you mean a free for all, there is no denial people are being silenced. I believe people who are in positions of power e press and politicians eg regardless of whether left or right have no excuse for abusing there powers. manipulating truths, creating chaos by confusion, taking away human rights and putting many in a position where they are thrown into living a life that no longer makes sense. I am more concerned by people who believe there truths can overshadow anyone elses beliefs. who refuses to see the importance of other peoples views even though they may disagree with them on other matters. This may be a place to start to make a difference in the intolerances we are now seeing.

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And that is the point I have been trying to make > Sephiroth. One could argue the flaws in that > original post are accidental (ill thought out > etc). I am inferring they are not, but are instead > a reflection of the political stance of the > poster. In other words, a deliberate exercise in > nuanced bias. I find it hypocritical. > > To answer your question Malumbu on what can be > done, that is rather hard to answer without > arguing for better education and control over the > nonsense being fed into some people's minds by > social media etc. It is no accident that those on > the political fringes rally so hard against any > kind of censorship and concern themselves so much > over who controls education. These are anarchists, > who want chaos, before being the winners from some > new world order that suits them. What I would > argue needs to happen, is that we stop giving > disproportionate weight and exposure to fringe > ideas, conspiracy theories and public figures who > have no interest in a cohesive society that works > for all. That would be a good start. blah blah I can*t understand your response to what can be done. you say it is hard to answer without argueing for better education and control over social media nonsonse being fed into peoples mind,how can you see this being achieved. who should have this power of control and can you give me an example of the nonsense you feel should be controlled. Control in education is extremely worrying especially when it is offered as teaching inclusion whilst excluding. This for me is what has and is creating the chaos. who do you believe to be the anarchists.you resort to cancelling people out because they do not have your views. So you think to achieve a cohesive society that works for all we should stop giving disproprtionate weigh tand exposure. to certain people. How would this work for a start to your inclusive new society.