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Niledynodely, I agree, most people accept gay people in this country without the need to know there sex lives. We live in a culture now where people are afraid to voice there opinions for fear of being accused of being hateful. I believe young people have enough dangerous sexualisation outside of school which I believe reflects in the horror we know many children go through. Children can empathise without feeling they need to be forced into it, as well as disagreeing,without feeling they may be accused of being bigotted etc. The situation we are seeing with adults, especially round the gender issues, where instad of conversation we see only accusation, like many subjects, the right and wrongs of decisions we make in our life are getting lost and confused with this fear of what might happen if we say the wrong thing. I believe adults, especially when part of a group need to look at themselves, before forcing teachings on children. Often the subject matter is lost and we're left with the victim and bully conversation. No subject is isolated, although this creates complexity it also brings new things. I have been looking at increase in children born with differet variations of inter sex. This is a subject that can cover many subject in the cirriculum, open discussions from RSE to enviromental. I do not believe where there is an agenda around inclusion that creates so much divide, it should not spill into our schools where parents choices are removed and the divide continues.

child sex abuse is a huge problem in and outside of school, this is a reality that I believe can be overshadowed by vocal minority groups that although divided outside of school, (gender politics) are now involved with our childrens education around relationships and sex education. there are many children suffering silently while the adults decide about games ans sexual positions that may or may not be fun. Showing some how we*ve become more open and tolerant and moved away from that awkward silence of the past. I think there must be room and respect for others. We*ve seen cases of child rape in our schools along with increasing numbers of sexual abuse. this is a huge problem. the child must be the priority. https://www.nspcc.org.uk/about-us/news-opinion/2020/child-sexual-offences-rise/

Considering the growing reported cases of sexual assaults in schools, *peer on peer* children should be warned of the dangers of pornography and many sexual behaviours being normalised and put forward as tolerance. and acceptance. This is a problem recognised in education. Its also a problem that highlights the need to help children not only understand there own needs but respect others. Statutory guidance for schools and colleges, Keeping Children Safe. (Peer on Peer abuse) 27 link , there are many differences in childrens situations and schools also need to understand they are only part of the childrens education, as parents we are responsible. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/835733/Keeping_children_safe_in_education_2019.pdf

Sweetgirl I think people have become more divided, Voicing your views as a minority within a system has become more difficult especially within the current climate, people are seeing how quickly you can be accused of a number of things. Having choices should make a difference but besause there can a be a fight for choice its easier to go with the majority, especially when the majority do not really believe you should have a choice. I found school a learning experience when my children went, i had many concerns with education and voiced them. I think if you can talk openly to your children, it is wise to be aware of what your children are learning.

Snowy I don't understand your critical analysis/ media comment. Mops I think its a good idea for children to be given a chance to understand differences. Its the way this is being done. The belief of adults creating safe spaces for children has been shown in the past to harbour people who have very different intentions. I think especially now, more cases of abuse through lockdown. Helping children to understand differences and enjoying there own intimacies does not come through needing to know details of others. As adults if you want to try and imagine how "anus and anus" go together and you want to give it thought youmay have lived a rather conservative life, not refering to you Mops. Totally agree about protecting everyone regardless of differences. J.a. you really need to get yhis workshops up and running. How to be tolerate and understanding in the new norma. I'd book but i dont think you'd tolerate lunatics.

I would suggest a dice game with your 13yr old children, invite your friends to let them see how open minded you are so 2020. Who knows with everything so open and moved on, and we know its nothing to kids these days with internrt porn etc who knows the age of consent may be needing reviewed. I cannot believe there is no concern over some of the content for children. Its ridiculous. If parents are happy to have there kids playing a game like the dice game, I would say, buy it yourself for ?75 and teach yourself whatever educational lessons you pick up from it. Thanks Niledynodely. Its good to know people are making people aware of this weird shit. I can't imagine why 13yr old need to discuss retrievable objects in the anus. Children who have/are being abused, hearing some of these suggestions for conversations may feel confused further by there own feeling of sexuality which may be very different from children who have not encountered sexual abuse. There is room for change and more openess but this should be done very carefully and with thought for all differences. Do we really need children to be put into situations where they are seen as open/bigoted if they dont wish to speak nor hear about what people want to do with there tongues and an anus. Since this was posted in family room I have been speaking with family and friends and I've not met one person that thinks this is appropriate or helpful for children.

Medusa, I don't think the above link is comprehensive sex ed, nor do I think this is about inclusion. Have you looked at the link? I would say its more sinister than fun.

Niledynodeli, Thanks for your post. I have told my daughter who has a child starting secondary. Very worrying, I absolutely agree this is about normalising behaviour. Yes we have seen easy access to children via the internet, hence why there are parental controls. Why would 13yr old, or any school age children have to be educated on adults fetishes. Its disgusting. There haz been advice given out regarding safe sex and distancing for adults but its ok for children to be considering many of the behaviours above. Maybe children should be taught respect for themselves and for others in RSE. At a time when voices are being silenced why is it alright these conversations should be put forward to 13yr olds. Thanks again for alerting us.

Penguin68, I agree, uncertainty is definitely a feeling that is less loaded and fits with so much of what we are seeing outside as well as within a science perception. How many people will die due to economic break down remains to be seen. As well as the numbers of deaths related to mental health etc. I have had a word with myself ( after not being able to understand my own post, ha ha) And will attempt to stop jumping off course. Definitely easier to speak face to face. Thanks for your clear view.

Yes I'm sorry, probably was a bad idea to try and exolain what I meant after a day of feeling stressed. Having to deal with the usual bigger pic and our relation to it and people who believe they have a right to harrass people who do have a reason for being unable to wear a mask. Anyway my point I was trying to make, was the Rtpcr test, has much controversy around it, whether this RNA genetic material is related to sarsCov2. Time and time again this has been brought up. When I read the link Blah blah put up I quoted the part where the difficulty in isolating was acknowledged. I pointed this out as like when I think Mexiico put out a paper regarding a glycoprotein, which was given like a warning,this causes lots of fear, it hits headlines. The comflict between scientists is a reality we cannot ignore. I apologise again for going off on a tangent, and not being clear.also for trying to explain howbigger picture intermingles with beliefs. No Blah blah I absoluty was not asking you to agree with my opinion, I was merely trying to explain mine, I know, not well.

Yes blah blah, I linked two conflicting links, to show that there was conflict within science. My first post regarding the isolation was refering to the findings and the difficulty in isolating. I tried, not successfully to show, for me, there is a much bigger picture to belief than science, it is impossible for me to not allow other aspects of what i believe to be happening simoultainiiusly. I can follow science and get a picture up to a point,depending on why Im reading it, I am also grateful for what Ive learned over many years. The corruption with the institutes has always been apparent, and I believe as Ive said before science is a threat to our world. I am not talking all individuals. We do not know one another or the lives we lead or have led and I think it is wise to remember that. Goodnight.

Effra Objectionable and detrimental to society= someone who doesnt agree with you, If it wasn't i truly believe in free speech. Be careful what you wish for. all of us, that must be nice and safe and a bit assuming that that is the best action, to report someone who thinks differently to you. And what action do you think should be taken. Blah Blah was condescending,accused me of peddling mistrurhs, arrogant, yes I reacted, but you know what it wouldn't enter my mind to report him. he is entitled to say or type what he thinks, do I agree, no. would I want to silence him, no. you may find some things which were seen as conspiracy theories are unfolding before peoples eyes, whether you agree or not I do not take it personal. although there are many people like you who feel very seperated with no wish to even try to understand. that goes for where ever you stand.

https://theconversation.com/i-study-viruses-how-our-team-isolated-the-new-coronavirus-to-fight-the-global-pandemic-133675 link from scientists who isolated virus/ He states, *The more versions of a virus that can be isolated, the better. Having multiple virus isolates allows us to monitor how the virus is evolving in humans as the pandemic is evolving. It also allows researchers to test the efficacy of vaccines and drugs against mutations of the virus.* https://www.virology.ws/2020/05/07/there-is-one-and-only-one-strain-of-sars-cov-2/ virology professor. says only one isolate. talks about another fear spreading around the glycoprotein. Heres another way of looking at it; the symptoms were similiar to flu but now have most of the symptoms of living. its became so obvious to people this is more about complying than corona, people have been given so much contradiction its thrown people into confusion and compliance in the hope things can return rather than face the poverty many of us are going to find ourselves in. Many people at the beginning believed if they complied it would pass sooner. yes there were people who were terrified of lying in an ICU or dying horrifically. two of my friends saw the same video of a covid death. it overwhelmed them. they had never sat with someone dying with a lung condition. Death isnt exactly an open topic for conversation in this culture. to be fair, not many things are open for conversation these days. Do you Know how many people have died people would ask when I replied asking if they knew how many people on average usually died they could not even imagine..,es not many people want to die, although the suicide figures have not been given even though Professor Louis Appleby, who holds many positions with mental health and chairs the National Suicide Prevention Strategy advisory Group stated at beginning of lockdown he aimed for real time figures of suicide, this does not semm to have happened. Many people have realised we cannot rely on our government, our health institutes to have our best interest or tell the truth.

Keep on peddling your fear, you cant even acknowledge different viws within the science world. You set yourself up as some saviour who interperates truth for others, please get over yourself. You base everything around fear, and have no respect for differences, imagine there are scientists who don't agree with you who may have more authority than yourself, iI believe your attitude is where this silencing of people has came from. A test for common sense would come in handy.

Oh Blah blah change the tune, or she se all be to frightened to ask . I have my view lets leave it at that.

Johnl Its easy to forget when fear is so virulent, we can make a difference and be responsible for our own health. There is a fine line between warning people of risks and creating so much fear that on its own can be detrimental to your health.I put a link up before on studies showing emotionally and physically the effects of people being isolated. We all have fears albeit different ones this often causes a feeling of bbeing threatened by differences. The problems arise when there is no choice. I did not vaccinate my children, my choice before the doctor(forgot his name) related to MMR vaccine controversy. As my last post says I feel threatened by the pharmaceutical and health organisations but on an individuals level I would not expect peoples choice to be removed.my big fear over the years has been this. I am not going to go roundvin circles playingvthe blame game. I merely want to say we all must look at our fears and try to respect on anothers no matter how difficult.

JohnL The worry of having a heart attack is also likely to put you at risk. This virus has seemingly travelled round the world in months, do whatever you can within the confines we find ourselves to strengthen your immune system.I am exempt from wearinng a mask, I do not believe I am any more at risk than normal. I follow when the children are having the flu live vaccine nasal spray as this vaccine sheds up to 30days, and when administered parents are asked to keep children away from immuno comprimised people. I think they say 7-10 days. Remember the majority of deaths have been ill vulnerable people. I don't think there has been a time when well people have been quarantined. The results of this lockdown will be left to our children and childrens children.

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-04-05/U-S-doctor-with-flu-in-Jan-tests-positive-for-COVID-19-antibody-Pr1ai87Vte/index.html This is a very interesting story of a doctor with flu in first week of January who tested positive for covid antibodies. I know so many people who believe they had covid before they were looking at it being a possibility here. I would imagine most people have come into contact. Natural immunity is happening.

Seriously Blah blah,the material collected is not the isolated virus. You fail to recognise this whicj I find bizzarre considering your s cience knowledge. You seem intent or unable to move ftom the fear and spreading it. Surely you know the figures with the flu and the threat this brings every year to vulnerable people, I certainly do. Looking st casees of deaths with so called confirmed cases does not add up to your reasoning nor the governents. You have written above pist like its something i've made up. A refual to recognise conflict in the science. The virus has not been isolated. Can you tell me the amplification level used on these tests, Im assuming there is now records of this. Do you recognise this test wasnever to be used in diagnosis of viruses. This has been recognised by the inventor and constantly over time. I understand yhe droplet testing, what I sm saying is they are using the sMe test to confirm genetic material. It is less bizzarre than you think,, try speaking to people who are not wearing a mask and listening instead of assuming most are selfish and don't care.i like to learn and be informed, I do not like information, conflicted at that, which at the foundation, is driven by fear whilst at the same time uses choice to divide and silence people.

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Here is another link about this test. The studies on link from Blah blah rely on these tests being accurate, this has been debatable from the beginning. I suppose its easier to assume people are selfish rather than give people some credit about not complying because they do not believe science which is so conflicted. well at least we have our government to protect us. the paper was published over a week ago. our government decides its a good idea to give half price food at reastuarants that are pretty crowded. not to worry we've got track and trace. I wonder how many people didn't wear a mask for there half price meal, yes I expect people won't wear one when it suits them as well. and you know what thats okay because you're allowed to, at the moment. https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/?fbclid=IwAR3G6Fuq8C-8XW7szL43scbKOYFx78irq52A6ZQCRdZmPMWiHTqD_2jv4Zo

on the second link Blah blah gives in the summary 29 there was a failure to isolate the virus. summary 34 states the RT PCR test was done. this test is not accurate for testing or diagnosing RNA virus as the inventor and Nobel prize winner Kary Mullis himself knew the limitations for this test. Here is a link to a different scientific view on these test. https://bpa-pathology.com/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/ Edited to be a bit more comprehensive. Thanks to whoever reminded me how incomprehensable I am.

Pugwash here is a link to the card, if you scroll down page a bit. It can be downloaded from government website.Again its a little confusing as who can request this. I imagine its also for people with profound hearing loss, travelling out on there own, who can't hear nor understand.as well as for people who lip read. I think people need to look at the affect this is having on disabled people. People are capturing the abuse on phones, maybe some people on this thread should watch how attitudes evolve. https://www.mylondon.news/news/health/2-face-mask-exemption-cards-18655744

Pugwash, It says "please remove your face covering so I can understand you better". I'm sorry but I have it in download and don't know how to attach it.

Pugwash, there is a card or you can show from your phone a request to ask if a person wearing a mask can remove it, for you to understand what there saying. I'm afraid I can't find it. It was sent to me, but I would not be comfortable asking. It would be handy in an emergency ( if you can remember where it is on your phone)