legalalien

yes, I was thinking about how people from the court/ woodwarde side could get over to burbage/ townley more easily.

I would say that pedestrianisation is on the table so long as @lane_rye and Southwark Cyclists keep campaigning for it. Also looks like Cllr Buck is a fan and has arranged some sort of scrutiny committee meeting with recommendations to cabinet, even though the LDs attempt to call in the decision for scrutiny somehow didn't make it past officers, according to his twitter. (if you look further on twitter the RL Pedestrianisation campaign wrote to scrutiny committee members asking for call in on the basis of a lack of consultation, so will be interesting to see how they react to the DV decision.

Would it make sense to have a different route at school times and no. School times eg a school hopper at pick up times and then a shopping/ medical etc hopper at other times? And perhaps it needs to extend towards Herne Hill?

Hopefully technology will come to your rescue sooner rather than later: https://www.coolingpost.com/world-news/hydrogen-fuel-cell-refrigerated-trailer-begins-road-testing/

In case anyone wants to comment https://consultations.southwark.gov.uk/environment-leisure/goodrichreview/ Consultation closes 17 October.

Here?s the formal decision on the revised Dulwich proposals, includes a summary of responses received on the revised proposal https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/s102048/Record%20of%20Decison.pdf Come on LDs on the scrutiny commission - call it in for further discussion on the decision making process!

Thanks bels123. Some of the things on there - bike maintenance and the handyman look good. But there is a preponderance of luxury baked goods / craft beer / artisan coffee / flowers that does give the whole thing a certain vibe - they?re not things I buy a lot of (age and spending priorities I guess), and if I did I?d def walk to the shop rather than having them delivered. Was also interested to see how the London bike hire place has so many pictures encouraging people to swap public transport for cycling (and in one of them walking for cycling), which fits with something posted on here a while ago to the effect that a lot of the initial switch to cycling was from those modes rather than from cars. And also brought home to me that there are commercial interests behind encouraging cycling, it?s not all just altruism. There?s some interesting reading around attempts to encourage bike deliveries in the US, eg https://www.forbes.com/sites/andriacheng/2019/12/04/amid-record-online-sales-new-york-is-working-with-amazon-others-to-test-cargo-bike-delivery-your-city-will-be-next/?sh=1058a700393f https://depts.washington.edu/sctlctr/news-events/in-the-news/electric-bike-could-change-delivery-we-know-it ( trigger warning for some - the suggestion that you might ultimately need two sets of cycle lanes, one for recreational cycling and one for commerce) And then this cautionary tale about the risk of exploitation / crime against cycle delivery workers https://www.theverge.com/22667600/delivery-workers-seamless-uber-relay-new-york-electric-bikes-apps I?m still erring on the side of ?we should encourage people to get out of their houses and go to the shops and discourage home delivery of small and unnecessary items, even if the deliveries are by bike?.

Looks like it! I'd be interested to know the distances though - if stuff is still being driven around the country by lorry and then delivered using cycle for the last km then the overall journeys need to be taken into account. I have no idea how it all works - but it seems to be a very complex picture that would need a lot of unpacking to analyse... someone producing goods in Kent and driving them to mine might end up being overall more efficient/ green than a product being produced much further away, transported to a local depot and then taken the last little bit by bike, thereby seeming sustainable etc, if yswim.

For small items though, surely it?s better for us to get up off our sofas and walk or cycle to the shop rather than get someone on a bike to bring it to us? Also - presumably for lots of items it would only ever be last mile delivery by bike - it doesn?t really solve the problem of the massive online consumer culture we?ve developed where we all expect to be able to choose from a boundless array of items sourced from all around the world at the click of a button. Has always been a bugbear of mine - seems as though the massive disruption in global supply chains at present might just fix it for me?. (All a bit of a digression, sorry) ETA I agree re return to public transport. I went into the West End a couple of times by train / tube / bus and was surprised how busy it was.

Another interesting bit from a council report, this one about a recommendation that the council extend its current corporate liability insurance rather than go out to tender at this stage: ?As part of any retender exercise, potential bidders will look at the council?s claims experience. There is currently a very large reserve against an employer?s liability claim due to a recent review which resulted in the reserve being increased substantially. There has also been deterioration generally in the last 12 months in the employer?s liability claims experience. This would affect how the council is viewed and likely the bids submitted at a tender.? Wonder what went on there. https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/s102038/Report.pdf

Also I don?t really get the fixation with single occupancy in cars. Lots of people using their car or van for work during the day would be single occupancy surely?

My point was that increasingly it isn?t just one grocery van delivering groceries to ten houses, which I think is Ok if the ten houses are getting one delivery a week and choosing the ?green van? option. It?s the proliferation of small on demand grocery orders, Uber eats, deliveroo, having one or multiple veg and grocery boxes, a separate pasta evangelists box, maybe a regular Harry?s shaving order, and now a separately packaged and delivered coffee service... the list goes on. Things like Amazon Prime and I think now a similar deliveroo service where you pay a monthly all you can eat delivery fee... it doesn?t bode well. Rrr you seem to be suggesting that the problem requiring a solution is not an overall increase in traffic but rather one of displacement from main roads to back streets?

This was in my mail today (along with the DA thing). I?ll say it again - it?s the deliveries we need to focus on. There was someone on Sky this morning reflecting on how many HGV drivers have switched to more local Amazon, supermarket, gourmet food box type jobs.

For anyone interested, here is the decision / description of traffic calming measures going in on Brenchley Gardens. https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/ieDecisionDetails.aspx?Id=7445 The cost has increased from an original estimate of ?150k to around ?730k! Road works ain?t cheap.

Quite an interesting report prepared by housing development officers for the upcoming housing and community engagement commission, case study of resident engagement re proposed rooftop devt and infill housing at Brenchley Gardens. Another example of the inadequacy of Commonplace as an engagement tool (too much generic spin in the questions asked), and there seems to be some friction between officers and ward councillors about who said what to the tenants. This is a case study but doubtless similar issues on lots of other estates (here it seems that the inclusion of an infill building in the plans - needed to finance the whole scheme - wasn?t sufficiently flagged up). I think there?s a systemic problem around community engagement. https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/s101819/Report%20New%20council%20homes%20on%20existing%20estates%20-%20Case%20Study%201%20-%20Brenchley%20Gardens.pdf

Raeburn I think there is some doubt as to whether the statement in the Southwark FAQs is actually accurate, I seem to recall that the fortnightly meetings referred to weren?t happening (can someone confirm)? I?d be very cautious about relying on statements on the Southwark website as a source of fact. They failed to comply with their statutory duties to advise TfL in advance as well, if the FoI responses from TfL are correct. I?d be keen on Southwark not posting statements that are untrue, as people are likely to believe them. Am less worried about Rockets ;)

is the deadline midnight today or has it passed? was planning to respond but got busy.. could do it tonight if responses still open.

Saw something about that it was a rally of some sort?see atttached

This. Artemis Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What the LTNs do not address is the massive (and > ever increasing) number of online deliveries. Are > we surprised that roads are clogged when several > billion parcels are despatched every year? When > the expectation is that you can order your > groceries, clothing, household goods etc. and they > will turn up at your front door the next day, > traffic is not going away. I would hazard to > guess that a significantly high proportion of > traffic clogging the roads is made up of delivery > drivers, rather than local drivers doing short > journeys (which seems to be the assumption of many > people). And that traffic is not going to > ?evaporate? - it is irrelevant to the consumer > sitting at home whether the delivery driver has > sat in traffic for three hours or not -they just > have an expectation that their consumer goods will > arrive. The narrative ?you need to get out of > your car and walk/cycle and we won?t have a > problem? is failing to address one of the most > significant reasons for increasing traffic, in my > view.

I think it says ?could drop? rather than ?has dropped?, but wouldn?t be surprised. I guess the census results will tell us all. Think they come out next March? ahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Population of London has dropped for the first > time in 30 years, driven by Brexit and the > pandemic: > https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jan/07/lo > ndon-population-decline-first-time-since-1988-repo > rt-covid-home-working

I'd favour a more general thread about the way Southwark engages with its residents - this is one example of that, but there seems to be a pattern across a variety of areas (see the current issues with Peckham Green/ Jocelyn Park or as Southwark call it, the Flaxyards site). I'm sure there are other examples but given the breadth it would probably go in the Lounge? I have more of an issue with the "process" issues around the LTNs than I do about the LTN policy itself, so I get your point in that sense.

Confirmation of falling pupil numbers in this report for the upcoming education scrutiny committee meeting, more detail to be produced for Cabinet meeting in October. https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/s101594/Report_Pupil%20Places%20Southwark.pdf. There are falls across most parts of the borough apparently. Interesting that council can?t require academies to reduce their pupil admission numbers, which must make planning / trying to even out numbers across schools more difficult.

Various new minor road changes - think the only local one is some additional double yellows in Melbourne Grove. https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgIssueHistoryHome.aspx?IId=50027372

I suspect we?re in for another uptick in fines as I?ve come across two people so far who have been forwarded the map associated with the decision making process and were under the impression that the revised time restrictions would come into force this coming Monday. Chinese whispers! If you?re speaking to anyone maybe emphasise to them that nothing has changed yet.

I think much of the problem, particularly early on, was the positioning of the signs as much as the legality of the signage itself - thinking in particular of the one at the Burbage Road roundabout, when approaching from Gallery Road, the one on Burbage Road which you can't really see until you've already turned left off Turney, coming from Croxted (the approach sign has been fixed slightly now I think to try and clarify - the problem is for drivers who see the blue sign ahead and swing left to avoid it and are practically through the bus gate before they can do anything), and the one on Townley which is easily lost among other signs, trees, watching out for traffic etc coming off Croxted. I just hope we don't get more signs instead of clearer substitute signs - there are way too many signs about the place already. must be about time for another "superfluous sign" audit. I'm happy to make suggestions of signs that could be removed.