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I suspect that many of those supporting One Dulwich and opposing the closures are doing so in response to the traffic problems caused on surrounding roads, rather than because they want / need to drive through the LTN area - so their personal entitlement (or otherwise) to a permit is neither here nor there. northernmonkey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It was heard at the last council meeting - there > was a thread on it somewhere. > > I'd imagine there is a lot of overlap between the > signatories and one Dulwich membership - and > looking at the map of addresses, I do wonder how > many of them would get a permit under the One > Dulwich / Dulwich Alliance plans? My initial > sense is not many!

Very little consideration or feedback tbh - it was raised at the cabinet meeting and there was a general commitment to do some consultation - see minutes here http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/g6663/Printed%20minutes%20Tuesday%2020-Oct-2020%2016.00%20Cabinet.pdf?T=1 Then one of the Lib Dem councillors raised the issue at the Council Assembly meeting on 25 November and didn?t get a very helpful response - see question 6 here: http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/s92306/Members%20question%20time%20with%20responses.pdf There were several public questions asked at this morning?s cabinet meeting, which have apparently been given written responses - those don?t seem to be up on the website yet. You can see the meeting on YouTube at from about 7:20 onward - I half- listened to the first bit and it seems as though there will be further evidence gathering / analysis/ consultation kicking off in early February... some reference to discussions with undefined ?stakeholder groups? happening. I don?t believe OneDulwich/ the new alliance thing have a fixed proposal on permits - their point is that there should be a proper community discussion to consider and decide that point. I?d imagine some suggestions would be more controversial than others...

Try this: Go to https://www.southwark.gov.uk/ Click on the "Services" icon at the top right to bring up the page showing the icons for the full list of services Click on the Engagement and Consultations icon, on the right hand side (you need to scroll down a bit, it shows three people with a bunch of question marks above their heads), then when you get the pop up box, click on "All Services in Engagement and Consultations". Then click on "Have Your Say". Then, when the new screen comes up, click on "Petition Scheme". Scroll down the page and near the bottom there's an embedded link saying you can create or sign an epetition. Click on the link. It should bring up a page with a list of petitions (this page http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/mgepetitionlistdisplay.aspx?bcr=1). Hopefully that works! The website is quite functional if you spend some time digging around in it, clicking on random things to see what comes up, but not particularly intuitive (for me, anyway)...

Not sure will take a look... Edited to add: details here https://www.southwark.gov.uk/engagement-and-consultations/have-your-say/democracy-in-southwark/ask-a-question?chapter=3 Details of the Tuesday cabinet meeting which is at 11am are on this link, including details of the officers who I think questions need to be sent to (I?ve never sent a question so just going with what is on the website). http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?MId=6665

Just to add a couple of things: (1) worth reading the background and criteria in the report. I?m not entirely convinced all of these actually meet the stated criteria, particularly the idea that these should really be up front capital sums that ?Just need a one-off sum of money to get started (and not require additional funding from the council in future)?... (2) the ward councillors seem to be the ones who make the selection from the list of projects proposed. (3) the deadline for public questions for matters raised in this meeting is midnight tomorrow, Weds 13 January. Edited to add: as with many, many Southwark consultations this was another one I had never heard about. Have managed to find the commonplace site that was used and it seems few others had heard of it either.... not the most subscribed one ever! https://dulwichvillagecilmap.commonplace.is/comments

Hi all, quick heads up about the Cabinet meeting on 19 January that will consider the allocation of CIL funding for the Dulwich and Camberwell wards - link to report here: http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/s92946/Report%20Allocation%20of%20local%20CIL%20Southwark%20-%20Phase%202.pdf Several things that are probably of interest to those on this thread: - bulk of Camberwell funding going to a feasibility study and projects relating to cycling and pedestrian routes in Camberwell - Dulwich Hill funding for (I) Installation of on street cycle hangars in the Dulwich Hill ward, subject to final confirmation of locations to including Peckham Rye / Forest Hill Road / adjoining roads (sounds like one for Rockets to follow up!) (Ii) Introduction of traffic calming measures on residential roads between Forest Hill Road and Underhill, including St Aidan?s Road, St Dunstans Road and Ryedale, with a view to introducing resident access- only restrictions and/or one-way operation, subject to feasibility and local consultation. Most of the Dulwich Village funding is going to the somewhat vaguely expressed ?initial feasibility and design work into potential projects to support the implementation of active travel opportunities such as walking and cycling, reducing traffic volume, improving air quality and making streets safer and healthier. Establish a network of safe walking and cycling route which connect with similar in neighboring wards, supporting active travel and preventing increase of traffic and pollution; Addressing commuter parking, and monitoring air pollution levels.? Goose Green funding for (1) Feasibility study into the potential to create safe cycle lanes on the East Dulwich Road / East Dulwich Grove (A2214) and beyond. (2) Feasibility and initial design work to a potential to improve the area outside East Dulwich station, establishing a public square with improved pedestrian and cycle routes. Options to be considered include: - Raised & realigned pedestrian crossing; - Raised loading bays; - Decluttering the public realm, including removing pedestrian guard rails, relocating bins and cycle parking; - Improving pedestrian and cycle routes in the vicinity including around Vale End, Melbourne Grove and Railway Rise.

Not a strictly ED question, but they're renovating Ken's Fish Bar in half moon lane at the moment and you can see the "ghost sign" of a previous incarnation it's something Wood and Co (maybe CWE Wood?) just wondering what it used to be...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/street-closures-spark-a-new-culture-war-h5wgp7jl3?shareToken=6c1892d69dbd6ea76b851b8e16dfdf57 Article fom Janice Turner in The Times today sums it up for me - I expect it's behind a paywall though...

Hi Redjam - Dulwich Village itself has restrictions on northbound traffic during the periods of the timed closures. These are effected by two "bus gates" (ie only open to buses, taxis, cycles), both of which are at the Gallery Road/Burbage Road/Dulwich Village roundabout. If you are coming up Gallery Road during the restricted time periods (8-10am and 3-6pm monday to friday), then you must not (i) turn left into Burbage Road; or (ii) go straight ahead into Dulwich Village (ie you can only head back to the South Circular via Gallery or College Road, so no point driving up Gallery Road in the first place). There are blue signs indicating that this is the case. Hope that helps.

As someone who grew up outside the EU and now lives here (and who travelled about a bit in my youth / studied at a UK uni), I think we need to stop talking ourselves into the idea of a "catastrophic loss of opportunities for youngsters" thing. Young people from non-EU countries do plenty of travelling, studying and working abroad both within and outside the EU. As it stands, I read somewhere the other day that more UK students study at tertiary level in the US plus Australia, than in the EU countries combined. Yes, there might be a few more forms to fill, but there will still be opportunities out there...

I take the same view as Bicknell. I?m reading it as something designed to open the conversation - I don?t doubt that those who have set up the petition have their own view on a solution, but I wouldn?t want that to stop people from voicing their concern with the existing scheme. It seems designed not to split the numbers of those who disagree with the current scheme (ie it?s carefully not like Australia 1999)

I think we've had a couple of redwings at ours. I thought they might be some sort of song thrush but the didn't look quite right... We have a crabapple tree which still has some fruit on it so are getting a range of hungry birs this week.

The less people driving means the average air quality is improved. It doesn't automatically mean better air quality for everyone. Depending on design, it may worsen air quality for those who already have poor air quality and improve air quality for those who already have relatively OK air quality. Which is why the Guys etc project has clearly spent a lot of time and effort on site selection ( to try and benefit those with the worst air quality) and are emphasising the importance of monitoring. It feels a bit like this

Fourthed. And just to add, LadBaby has become the third act in UK chart history, after The Beatles and the Spice Girls, to score three straight Christmas number one singles. Has made my day.

I think the petition is quite carefully crafted. It doesn't specify proposed closure times or exactly who would benefit from permits. It just seeks to reopen the issues. I think that's sensible as it allows all of those who have issues with the current closures to get behind it - with a view to getting the council to take a fresh look at the whole scheme. I gather it's been set up by One Dulwich even though it doesn't say that? I guess that those running that group have a view on the best solution - which others with concerns about the current scheme (me) may or may not agree with, but that's something to be discussed once the primary aim of opening discussions has been achieved? So yes, northernmonkey I share your concern, but I think we need to get to a position of " something needs to change with the current scheme" first, and then work on what that change is. Otherwise the risk is that there is a split between those who favour different solutions and we end up with the status quo.

Link to Transport for London "Travel in London" Report 13 (think someone linked to the press release on a previous thread - however the press release is understandably selective as to which figures it mentions) content.tfl.gov.uk/travel-in-london-report-13.pdf Interesting read about travel trends in London in 2019 (and then post-pandemic). On about page 92 it seems that TfL has some concerns about DfT vehicle mileage estimates following DfT adjustments to minor road estimates and there are ongoing discussions - TfL sticking to its own figures for the time being. Looks as if someone has put in an FoI request to find out more info about this...

You can head to the park (towards the college) at any time of day. If you turn right out of the park, when you get to the burbage road / war memorial roundabout, then you can't go through the village, or go into Burbage Road, during the times listed above, so no, you can't go back the way you came at those times. (You have to turn left out of the park, and go via south circular and lordship lane or croxted road / herne hill, depending on your ultimate destination.) Alternatively, you could park in the village somewhere just north of the Burbage Road roundabout and walk to the park from there if you can. Then you'd be on the "right side" of the bus gate when leaving (the signs and cameras are at the roundabout), and could drive back past the Dog.

The council refreshed its overall plan recently and has just put the detailed ?measures? it will use to track progress against the plan on its website at http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/s92603/Report%20-%20Council%20Plan%20Performance%20Schedules.pdf These are not so much quantified targets / an SLA, as things that will be measured. It?s quite an interesting read to get a feel for the Council?s thinking on various issues. On the LTN front, the measures are set out below (apologies for formatting). Interesting that some of the measures relate to number of roads closed (separately from eg traffic reduction). Make Southwark a Low Traffic Borough, dedicating more of our highways to zero carbon uses including walking and cycling and improving air quality by reducing car journeys CR EL / CEX CE3.1 MI Evaluate the effectiveness of the Street Space Plan and review the Dulwich LTN and use this learning to drive further improvements for the rest of the programme CR EL / CEX CE3.2 ME Prepare a Low Traffic Plan, inclusive of an action plan CR EL / CEX CE3.3 ME Annual vehicle kms (millions) CR EL / CEX CE3.4 ME Length of accessible cycle routes delivered CR EL / CEX CE3.5 ME Number of roads with motor vehicle restrictions including modal filters, school street closures, footway widenings CR EL / CEX CE3.6 ME Decrease the percentage of children being driven to school at each school where School Street closures are implemented CR EL / CEX CE3.7 ME Decrease the percentage of children being driven to school at each school where School Street measures are not possible CR EL / CEX CE3.8 MI Develop baseline for % of highways given to zero-carbon use and implement reporting

Closures during peak times, presumably, rather than the other way around ( so that the roads could act as a relief route during peak hours)? Closures during peak times doesn't seem to address the displacement traffic unless a large proportion of the displaced traffic is local residents driving the long way around? Or is the intent to facilitate walking /cycling to school during key windows, I wonder.

Thanks for posting, looks really interesting.

It doesn't actually say residents permits though - does anyone know if this is what is meant? Could be permits for say disabled people, emergency vehicles, people who work in the area, delivery drivers - all of which would take traffic off the roads that currently take the displaced traffic? I thought One Dulwich were asking for timed closures?

The written responses to public questions asked at the Council Assembly meeting on 25 November have been published on the website and include this: "2. QUESTION FROM CLIVE RATES TO THE CABINET MEMBER FOR LEISURE, ENVIRONMENT AND ROADS As Southwark are aware, the road closures and restrictions which have been implemented in Dulwich are fundamentally different to those which had been consulted on earlier this year, and don?t in our view have the support of the local community. We and other residents groups have made sincere and constructive attempts to put forward workable amendments to the schemes. Please can Southwark confirm that there will be a meaningful and well publicised consultation of affected residents (ie Areas A, B & C as per the consultation earlier this year) on Phase 1 of the Dulwich scheme prior to 17 December this year, being the deadline for objections to the Experimental Traffic Order? RESPONSE The council has put together a comprehensive package of monitoring and engagement with the community. This will contain a large amount of measured data and we will be asking anyone who feeds back to us to provide some information on where they live and how they use the streets. This will help us to really understand different people's views and move forward in an informed manner. Information about the review process and engagement meetings will be set out early in the New Year. This exercise will be carried out over the coming months with an open report on what has been done expected to be presented in the spring. After this we will continue to look and listen as we go through the process of making decisions on the future of the schemes The 17 December deadline specifically relates to the relevant highways legislation that provides for a statutory 6 month period to lodge formal objections to any experimental trial scheme. We will give equal weight and consideration to any objection and/or comment received after this date, as part of the proposed consultation mentioned above."

For info: Southwark's Air Quality Status Report for 2019 (dated May 2020), with associated presentation, GLA comments on the report etc - tabled at last night's Health and Wellbeing Board meeting - starts at about p 35 after the Covid update. http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/b50012480/Supplemental%20Agenda%20No.%201%20Monday%2021-Dec-2020%2017.00%20Health%20and%20Wellbeing%20Board.pdf?T=9

Here?s a link to a report delivered to the Council?s Health and Well-being Board yesterday, with recent Southwark-specific info on testing, cases etc. http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/b50012480/Supplemental%20Agenda%20No.%201%20Monday%2021-Dec-2020%2017.00%20Health%20and%20Wellbeing%20Board.pdf?T=9

That seems quite sensible to me as well. Metallic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Abe_froeman Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > They should have made Calton one way towards > > dulwich village and court lane one way towards > > lordship lane and then put a wide two way cycle > in > > the spare lane on each road. > > Exactly what quite a few said!!