I heard the news today, oh boy..

[Ted Max]

Yeah, OK, point taken, it's been big news. But the actual debate in mainstream media has been fairly crude.

Here's yer man doing his stuff. Just for completion, like.

[fish]

David Davis is to be applauded.

[david_carnell]

fish Wrote:

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> David Davis is to be applauded.

Care to elaborate? I'm not looking for a fight, just wondered why you thought that?

As much as I agree with all the things he is saying I wonder how much of this is political ego. Not to mention the possible damage it could do to his own party.

People tend not to like being made to vote unnecessarily - not to mention that public opinion polls agree show the majority of people agree with the Govt on this issue. He could be on the end of a bloody nose.

[Brendan]

In other news. We're all fucked!

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/drivers-urged-to-panic-200806111011/

[fish]

david_carnell Wrote:

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> fish Wrote:

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> > David Davis is to be applauded.

>

> Care to elaborate? I'm not looking for a fight,

> just wondered why you thought that?

>

> As much as I agree with all the things he is

> saying I wonder how much of this is political ego.

> Not to mention the possible damage it could do to

> his own party.

>

> People tend not to like being made to vote

> unnecessarily - not to mention that public opinion

> polls agree show the majority of people agree with

> the Govt on this issue. He could be on the end of

> a bloody nose.

For being a man of principle. No more, no less.

[SeanMacGabhann]

That pesky oil business

Saw some "customers" being interviewed on the news tonight - basically any advice to not panic buy was met with short shrift from these fine citizens.. just remember folks, when food and oil get scarce, it's dog eat dog out there. Methinks the blitz spirit may not be seen again

[Huguenot]

I can't believe there ever was a Blitz spirit when it come to that - it's just we view it with a rosy veneer of romance. For 'My mum used to get a few extra favours from the butcher' read what you will ;-) Rationing spawned it's own special time of criminal - the Spiv - and laid the foundations for a lawless East End populated and dominated by criminal gangs.

[DaveR]

Have the Irish done us a favour?

[Huguenot]

I sometimes wonder whether gormless ninnies would vote against democracy given half a chance.

An Irish Independent survey suggested that 80% of those who voted against the treaty made their decision based on elements that weren't even in the bloody treaty. Prats.

At some time, small town morons (that refers to a global not local market) are going to have to respect that the majority of resources that keep their tiny world turning over are generated from outside the nearest 25 miles. It would make arse-clamping sense that we retain democratic purview.

Is it a lack of imagination? Do these bough-swingers think that mommy's going to make it good if they squeal when it's hurting?

I've total respect for Marmora Man for well constructed arguments against the nanny state on another thread, I think I may have quoted him in admiration after a beer or two. However, it remains banal and witless for a community that's sucked 30bn from industrialised nations to kick-start a crippled nepotocracy [citation needed ;-)] to bite the hand that feeds them.

Government is all about the redistribution of wealth, and if it's from the Badgers of The Apprentice to the pencil pushers of the Job Centre so be it. Better that than the tyranny of righteousness from double-glazing salespeople. I'd have sh*t squirting from a backed-up toilet whilst Lordship Lane was dominated by nasal backstabbers claiming it wasn't their fault.

Pillocks.

There, I've said it now.

[mockney piers]

Totally agree, I was there the other day, looking at all the Sinn Fein 'Vote No' posters and listening to people saying how they have to vote no but nobody having the foggiest why. Actually spoke to a Fianna Fail councillor who knew his biscuits but couldn't persuade anyone of the sheer hypocrisy of their stance.

Tossers (well, 53% of them are) have now consigned Europe to 3 or 4 more years of political soup, unwittingly continuing all that we don't like about Europe.

[mockney piers]

I really should add that a referendum here would have been every bit as nationalist and stupid and probably based on mythical straight bananas, no one has a monopoly on stupidity.

[SeanMacGabhann]

Dear God

I can only echo the posts from Huguenot and Mockney Piers above

Watching those idiots cheering and partying into the night made me ill - "we know f*** all!!! It's great!!!!"

Most comment appears to agree that the reason most people voted no was because the treaty was incomprehensible to ordinary people - which may be true but I'm willing to bet the family house on the fact that when Ireland was on it's knees and aching to join the EU most people didn't understand THAT treaty either - and they have done pretty well out of it. The ungrateful bollixes

Still - when the country freefalls into a full financial trough and has to go cap in hand, someone is going to enjoy making them squirm

[SeanMacGabhann]

Difficult to say for sure how factual the "apparently" in "apparently in the wake of threats by the US government," is but even if this is cooked up entirely at LloydsTSB HQ it still bothers me..

How to show an undemocratic country how democracy works

[Huguenot]

'Complete anbd utter f*ckwits' springs to mind

[Brendan]

This guy has a very good point:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/24/opinion/24godwin.html?_r=2&scp=1&sq=peter+godwin&st=nyt&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

[mockney piers]

Interesting report on the muslim backlash against Al Qaeda's concepts of jihad

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/special-report-is-al-qaida-in-p.htmls-850606.html

[Brendan]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7489457.stm

You couldn't make it up.

[Ant]

Is it usually very cloudy there?

[Ant]

edited away to dedupe.

[SeanMacGabhann]

If, that's IF, a thread was started and simply titled

"Behold!"

I would check it out....

[Ant]

You know, it never occurred to me to start a new thread just for that. But maybe I will.

[Brendan]

Those cookies are the best idea I?ve seen all day and I?ve just come from a very interesting seminar on new engineering innovations. I mean power generating sidewalks and self contained ecosystems within skyscrapers are all well and good but bacon cookies!

Just the thought of them makes me want to clap my hands and do a little dance.

[mockney piers]

I was almost tempted to say Behold! The sheer drama!!

But it is a news story.

I think the SLP should snap this hack up immediately, he's their sort of man...or woman, didn't loko really.

http://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/Quarter-Bridge-plan-unveiled-by.4251220.jp

The headline could so easily have read "Royal in Car that Stops"

[lozzyloz]

Sorry Piers but I can't say I find a planned roundabout development on the Isle of Man that dramatic. Were you thinking of something else, in a, roundabout sort of way?

[lozzyloz]

Ha! Just found the article you meant to link. It's pretty mind blowing. I probably wont recover from the shock before the weekend.