Certified Nutritionist

[JuliaNutritionist]

Hi! I am a certified holistic nutritionist and private chef based in Brixton. I am currently offering a 20 percent discount for new clients! When is a better time then now to re-set your health! Feel free to contact me via email and check out my website!

All the best, Julia

http://ourcommonthreads.wix.com/commonthread

[root]

Impressive, how does a holistic nutritionist get certified?

[JuliaNutritionist]

Good question:)

Well, I sturdied for two years in Berkeley, CA to be certified. I also have an MA, but of course that is not necessary!

[root]

Thanks for the info as to the best of my knowledge, here in the UK nutritionist is not a protected term, so anyone can call himself so. From Wikipedia:

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"Nutritionist" is not a protected term in the UK, unlike "dietitian"; the latter must be registered with the Health and Care Professions Council, so anybody can claim to be a nutritionist. The Association for Nutrition [8] is a registered charity that holds the UK Voluntary Register of Nutritionists (UKVRN). Its purpose is to "Protect and benefit the public by defining and advancing standards of evidence-based practice across the field of nutrition and at all levels within the workforce". All registrants on the UKVRN have had to provide evidence of their training and professional nutrition experience. They have also committed to abide by a Standard of Ethics, Conduct and Performance.[9] There are three categories of UKVRN registrants, Registered Nutritionist (RNutr) with nutrition specialism in public health, nutrition science, sport & exercise, food or animal nutrition, Associate Nutritionist (ANutr) and Fellow of AfN (FAfN).

""""

[monica]

In the Uk Registered Nutritional Therapists are members of BANT ( British Association for Applied Nutrition & Nutritional Therapy, and the CHNC( Complementary and Natural Healthcare Council).

The CHNC is a voluntary register for Registered complementary therapists and government supported.

We train in Universities and colleges for a minimum of three years, which entitles us to join BANT and The CHNC.

A registered Nutritional therapist cannot call themselves Nutritionists, because Nutritionists work with the public health sector, i.e. food manufacturing, hospital catering and schools.

The Title Nutritionist is not allowed to be used by Nutritional therapists.

[root]

From "https://www.bda.uk.com/publications/dietitian_nutritionist.pdf"

I particularly like the bit where it says ""Dietitians are the only nutrition professionals to be regulated

by law""

"""

Registered Dietitians (RDs) are the only qualified health

professionals that assess, diagnose and treat dietary and

nutritional problems at an individual and wider public health

level. They work with both healthy and sick people. Uniquely,

dietitians use the most up-to-date public health and scientific

research on food, health and disease which they translate

into practical guidance to enable people to make appropriate

lifestyle and food choices.

Dietitians are the only nutrition professionals to be regulated

by law, and are governed by an ethical code to ensure that

they always work to the highest standard. Dietitians work

in the NHS, private practice, industry, education, research,

sport, media, public relations, publishing, government and

Non Government Organisations (NGOs). Dietitians advise and

influence food and health policy across the spectrum from

government, to local communities and individuals.

Is their title protected by law?

Yes - only those registered with the statutory regulator, the

Health & Care Professions Council (HCPC) can use the title of

Dietitian/Registered Dietitian (RD)

"""

[monica]

Root, whats your point???

I am defining the difference between a Nutritional therapist and Nutritionist, why are you coping and pasting paragraphs from the BDA.???

The OP is wrong by calling herself a Nutritionist, so why are you stating the obvious.!!!!

[root]

monica Wrote:

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> Root, whats your point???

> I am defining the difference between a Nutritional

> therapist and Nutritionist, why are you coping and

> pasting paragraphs from the BDA.???

> The OP is wrong by calling herself a Nutritionist,

> so why are you stating the obvious.!!!!

Didn't mean to sound belligerent but the 'holistic' generalisation by the OP made me cringe a bit, so was looking up to government sites to educate myself on who is who.

So if I understood correctly,

Dieticians - those are health professionals

Nutritionists - If you're healthy but need an expert on food and what not, you can find yourself a registered nutritionist (Rnut???)

Anyone else - stay away

[monica]

Root I agree with what you have said, however the last sentence is nonsense. I did a Degree then a MSc in nutritional therapy, six years in total, dieticians do not work Wholistically, not sure why wholistic made you cringe, but thats your issue.

Thanks for the clarification, however lose the holier then thou approach its just ego. ::)))

[root]

Nothing holy, ego maybe, but truth remains that the word 'holistic' doesn't really mean much and when dropped in an ad things usually start reeking of quackery.

Good for you that you spent 6 years studying, ehmmm, food.

[monica]

Root at least I did something worthy and fulfilling with my life. You stick to your narrow minded blinkers, I will continue to thrive because I have no ego and arrogance. Good luck

[root]

monica Wrote:

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> Root at least I did something worthy and

> fulfilling with my life. You stick to your narrow

> minded blinkers, I will continue to thrive because

> I have no ego and arrogance. Good luck

ok :-)

This was not about you though, this was about JuliaNutritionist who is advertising her in depth skills. I see she linked to a website, where amongst a lot of things she says:

""" Help you read food labels and understand the difference between 'organic' and 'natural' """"

Julia, can you tell us what those terms mean to you?

On your website you cite 3 qualifications:

* BSc Psychology & Sociology - ok, cute

* MA Anthorpolgy of Food - ok, you're a caring person

* NC Holitic Nutrition - Bauman College / CA - woooooooooow.....wait a second what's this?

NC, doesn't that mean Nutrition Consultant?

I looked up the Bauman College website, at, https://www.baumancollege.org/programs/nutrition-consultant/

And here is an excerpt from the syllabus:

"""

Term II ? Therapeutic Nutrition

NC 201: Stress and Endocrine Interactions

NC 202: Men?s and Women?s Health

NC 203: Liver Detoxification

NC 204: Gastrointestinal Health

NC 205: Blood Sugar Regulation

NC 206: Weight Management

NC 207: Clinical Assessment

NC 208: Cardiovascular Health

NC 209: Mental Health

NC 210: Musculoskeletal Health and Sports Nutrition

NC 211: Immune and Autoimmune

NC 212: Cancer

NC 213: Case Presentation

"""

Are you saying that you are qualified or 'certified' to advise people on nutritional (dietary?) requirements to help address specific medical conditions such as mental health, diabetes, arthritis or cancer?

I don't have a problem with people offering others help on how to cook, and shop for food, and lead healthier lifestyles. It's when the woo starts creeping in that I start getting irate.

[JuliaNutritionist]

Sorry but I have no interest in playing this game with you two :)

[P.O.U.S.theWonderCat]

So you spend this much time interrogating the qualifications of those in more orthodox professions, or is it just your personal mission to have a go at anyone in alternative therapy? You seem to have a solid history of getting selectively interrogative.

It's pretty clear that you've got an issue with certain types of therapies. You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but is this really appropriate behaviour for a section of EDF?

[root]

P.O.U.S.theWonderCat Wrote:

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> So you spend this much time interrogating the

> qualifications of those in more orthodox

> professions, or is it just your personal mission

> to have a go at anyone in alternative therapy?

> You seem to have a solid history of getting

> selectively interrogative.

There's no such thing as alternative therapy. There's healthcare, and there's snake oil.

>

> It's pretty clear that you've got an issue with

> certain types of therapies. You're entitled to

> your opinion, of course, but is this really

> appropriate behaviour for a section of EDF?

It's where the service was advertised. I merely questioned what was being offered in exchange for money. At first I just found the word holistic funny along with the air of legitimacy from the 'certified' label a bit questionable. I hadn't realised I was only a couple of clicks away from full blown quackery.

Again from the website of the institute where our 'certified holistic nutritionist' claims she did her 2 years at 'Berkeley' they advertise:

""""

By the completion of the program, students are prepared to provide expert evaluation of diet and lifestyle and make recommendations for food selection, targeted nutrients, and lifestyle choices that will enable their future clients to improve their health and slow or reverse the progression of chronic illness.

""""

Do you see any issue with that?

[P.O.U.S.theWonderCat]

I take issue with you acting as self-appointed crusader of this board.

I didn't see you berating that chap who posted earlier indicating he had his gold card as a brickie picking the details of his qualifications, or interrogating the many different people who post gardening services asking if they were qualified horticulturalists.

Give it a rest, mate. Or take it up with the mod.

[root]

P.O.U.S.theWonderCat Wrote:

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> I take issue with you acting as self-appointed

> crusader of this board.

I just happen to be a person who went through a lot of health issues, where to add to the challenges of ill health I found I had to deal with the constant siege from well meaning idiots and the more nefarious snake oil salesmen telling me how big pharma is poisoning me or how my drs know nothing and I should try switching to organic, or homeopathy, or reiki, or juicing, or apple cider, or somewhat mess up with the ph of my body, yada, yada.

I generally tend not to say anything, but once in a while I'm like FFS and not saying anything becomes worse than an itch impossible to scratch.

[P.O.U.S.theWonderCat]

You've done it twice in a week and your posting history indicates that you've had a go at people asking about complementary therapies in the past.

You are not the only person who has had serious health issues, or the first that feels aggrieved at what they feel was misguided advice relating to those health problems. However, there is a time and place to vent your spleen. Constantly singling out particular people on a board for services really isn't appropriate.

[root]

P.O.U.S.theWonderCat Wrote:

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>

> You are not the only person who has had serious

> health issues, or the first that feels aggrieved

> at what they feel was misguided advice relating to

> those health problems. However, there is a time

> and place to vent your spleen. Constantly

> singling out particular people on a board for

> services really isn't appropriate.

If you post something in public, expect it to be challenged in public.

[P.O.U.S.theWonderCat]

True, but most people posting on a specific board about services don't expect tirades from Mr Ranty just because they have a tangental connection to something that he's got a bee in his bonnet about.

I appreciate that this topic makes you very angry, but seriously, time and place dude. Or at least be an equal opportunities shouty man and harangue everyone over their qualifications.

On the subject of which, I'd be interested to know your scientific/medical background that puts you in a position of expertise as to what has demonstrated, peer-reviewed therapeutic value and what doesn't.

[root]

P.O.U.S.theWonderCat Wrote:

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> True, but most people posting on a specific board

> about services don't expect tirades from Mr Ranty

> just because they have a tangental connection to

> something that he's got a bee in his bonnet about.

>

I like that.

>

> I appreciate that this topic makes you very angry,

> but seriously, time and place dude. Or at least

> be an equal opportunities shouty man and harangue

> everyone over their qualifications.

The time and place is when and where people make claims.

>

> On the subject of which, I'd be interested to know

> your scientific/medical background that puts you

> in a position of expertise as to what has

> demonstrated, peer-reviewed therapeutic value and

> what doesn't.

My yardstick when it comes to health therapies are quite simple. I am not a clinician, so I rely on the public health services to establish what is healthcare and what is woo. So if someone is making claims not supported or even contradicting what's on the NHS and CDC websites then alarm bells go off.

[i do happen to be educated to postgraduate level in business management although I do work in technology because I generally hate people and would rather work with machines. Currently rounding off a degree in Mathematics just for the entertainment value]

[P.O.U.S.theWonderCat]

Oooh, congratulations! Your mum must be very proud. Not really the same has having a relevant qualification in medical/scientific field though, is it?

They may not have taught you this at business school, but it's generally considered advisable to review proper primary evidence rather than relying on Wikipedia and your personal prejudices before making statements about the efficacy of different therapies. For instance, you have attacked therapies in the past for which NICE has published peer-reviewed clinical evidence of theraputic value. These resources are available to the public and it should be child's play for someone of your intelligence to do a bit of searching before spouting forth on topics on which you are not qualified in.

Or you could just continue to behave like a man with boundary issues in need of anger management therapy. I think I know what my money is on.

[root]

P.O.U.S.theWonderCat Wrote:

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> Oooh, congratulations! Your mum must be very

> proud. Not really the same has having a relevant

> qualification in medical/scientific field though,

> is it?

Precisely, you hit the nail on the head. I am not a clinician. I am not medically trained, which is why I do not make health claims. However, I do expect people to make claims or present themselves as experts in healthcare to be suitably qualified and to also be able to provide evidence that backs up their claims.