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Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > From an economic point of view, the EU have wanted > to put most financial service into Frankfurt for > many years, it's not exactly a secret. If > anything, the Germans will now be appalled that > this particular venture could be undercut by > Brexit, a move which will independently allow us > in the UK to create a far more competitive > environment for multinationals- something the > Germans will no doubt be held back by the EU > institutions it so cherishes. > > Louisa. Let the nay saying, excuses and denial begin. Anyway England, good bye. So long and thanks for all the fish.

There should have been a new poster showing of the greatest proponents for Brexit. "Gove, Farage, Johnson, Duncan Smith, Galloway, Louisa"

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Vote leave, and others will follow. Don't think of > the short term, think of the long term. This is a > decision which will galvanise one EU state after > another to end this political experiment and > democracy will re-establish itself across this > continent once more. > > Louisa. So what you really want Louisa is to rewind the clocks of Europe back to the 1950s. In the face of global superstates like India, China, the US, etc, reduce Europe to a bunch of loose dinky insignificant democracies.

An open letter to UK voters from leaders of 96 British universities http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-an-open-letter-to-uk-voters-from-leaders-of-96-british-universities-a7092511.html

Rook Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- ... > opposed to reality (or fear of unknown). You > wouldnt vote to Join the EU in its present state > surely? If you're asking whether the UK should join the EU today if it weren't a member you're making two big assumptions: 1) that the UK outside the EU would have been today what the UK is having been one of the most crucial players within the EU for pretty much ever 2) that the EU would be what it is today without the UK having been one of its most crucial players within for pretty much ever. In any case would love to see some other countries join the EU eventually. Above all Serbia's place is inside the European Union and hope to eventually see Montenegro, Georgia and and one day Moldova and Ukraine too.

Rook Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- ... > 1) The UK Renewable Energy Strategy ? Recurring > cost: ?4.7bn a year > 2) The CRD IV package ? Recurring cost: ?4.6bn a > year > 3) The Working Time Directive ? Recurring cost: > ?4.2bn a year > 4) The EU Climate and Energy Package ? Recurring > cost: ?3.4bn a year > 5) The Temporary Agency Workers Directive ? > Recurring cost: ?2.1bn a year ... Which of these in particular are you having an issue with?

Rook Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A national government overruling a local council > in the same country is democratic > An institution making laws and decisions imposed > on a country that has not voted for those laws or > has no ability to vote against them, is not Can you give an example of one such law or decision you feel particularly strongly about?

robbin Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > titch juicy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > a splendid piece from a real life, bona fide, > > flesh and bone expert > > > > > https://www.facebook.com/UniversityofLiverpool/vid > > > eos/1293361974024537/ > > Ha ha ha ha! Seriously???!!! That's brilliant. > > This man's entire career as a lecturer/professor > in EU law rests on being an expert in and teaching > EU law. If we no longer have EU law (and > therefore no particular need for experts in it), > do you not think he might be somewhat adversely > affected (to put it very mildly) and therefore he > has something of a vested interest?!!! Good point. I think you will find this official Brexit response addresses any reasons raised by the remain camp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4xBDpExjjY

As much as I dislike Cameron I must say that in comparison to the Goves, Farages, Corbyns and Johnsons from the Leave campaign he's actually coming across as a rather reasoned and sensible person.

Of all decent people, not to mention kids and husband :-(

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well Brexiteers and Remainers having a battle on > the Thames at the moment > - Captain Farage against Captain Geldof > > http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/nigel-farage > -and-bob-geldof-in-river-battle-on-the-thames-over > -brexit-a3272161.html Wow! I'm not sure I want to live on this planet any more!

This has nothing to do with economic hardship. True Englishmen will grin and bear it and survive on a cabbage and a bacon grease sandwich if necessary. This is about sovereignty, democracy, whether whether England can stand on its own two feet in the face of the tyranny of Europe. Rule Brittania! Tra la la la la la

Rook Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Root- Good luck haha! however your glib comment > hits upon a very valid issue- do you vote for > yourself, or for the good of the country / all? > Ive wrestled with this Ill tell you > I was thinking of voting in what made most long term sense for everyone. I'm a continental, and the resentment I've felt building up towards me from people I considered friends in a country I've called home for over a decade now all I care about is selling my assets in this country, making the most I can from the situation and hop over to another city, although ironically it's most likely to be NY or HK as I'm not keen on Frankfurt.

I think I am selfishly leaning towards leave as from the latest analysis I stand to make a killing from data centre migration work!

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Louisa Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Wales is statistically speaking one of the most > > Eurosceptic regions of the UK, and ironically > > according to the 2011 census has the smallest > > proportion of Other-EU citizens out of all > > regions. Scotland is without doubt pro-EU as is > > London, but pretty much the rest of the country > > (apart from the odd city here and there) is > > anti-EU (including Northern Ireland). > > > > Louisa. > > that's not what that map says (although I have no > idea how accurate it is). What are you basing taht > on Lou? He knocked on each door one by one. Apparently the guys in ""cities"" are quite EU leaning, the farmers not as much.

Well, no one really cares about Wales. I'm definitely voting out in the London secession referendum! And we'll make them pay to build a wall around the M25.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Interesting map. Not such a London / North split. > Scots and Welsh looking likely to vote very > differently to England if true. That'll put > Scottish independence back on the agenda. Yeah, this is about England leaving the EU. Scotland (and probably Wales) would secede. Ideally London too :-)

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As an aside, doesn't anyone think it's pretty > weird timing in terms of the referendum, > considering the government are backing remain? We > have the queen's 90th - with all the nostalgia for > Britain's past and general flag wavery + the > Football and the proxy European war which that > represents (and more flag waving nationalism). You > probably couldn't pick a moment more likely to > produce an out vote. Well, maybe, with a hint of irony. Whining that the EU is so undemocratic yet cheering a 90 year old unelected head of state.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- ... > > The whole immigration debate is a complete red > herring in my opinion. It's being used to excuse > the effects of an explicit policy to reduce public > spending (austerity). Why on earth people can't > see a link between reduced spending on services > and reduced quality of those services is beyond > me. Maybe it is, but besides some being pissed off at EU environmental, product safety, and other regulations that impact short term profiteering immigration is what is getting many hot under the collar.

uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Latest from Migration Watch > http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/press-release/454 > > root- Brussels created a backdoor entry into the > EU for non-EU citizens - and the Pakistanis, > Bangladeshis etc in the UK just marry someone from > there and Bob is your uncle population doubles! > David Cameron could not prevent it so the only way > to get any control over this small island is to > get out You do understand that it's the European Union you are voting to leave not planet earth, right?

Louisa, how do you think leaving the EU will affect immigration from Pakistan and Bangladesh?

Seabag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Wimbledon dog track car boot sales, they were > awash with that stuff. And Deptford street market > always has it too Thanks!!

Does anyone know of any sources around the area from where one can pick up electrical and electronics salvage for free or scrap prices?

Jules-and-Boo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- .. > As the EU gets larger - Turkey will join soon - > this will not improve. ... It will be talked about, but won't happen.

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Rah I don't believe at any point I have implied > that. My point is that immigration does > disproportionately impact upon working class > communities more than others, and that those > representing the 'Out' campaigns are not really > reflective of that. I am not saying all working > class people are anti-immigrant, and I do wish you > and other 'In' supporters would stop implying that > anyone who has a concern with this subject is > somehow xenophobic or worse. You are skewing my > side of the argument to fit into that box and it > is very misleading. I would equally argue not all > wealthy 'Out' Tories have economic control reasons > for wishing to leave. How exactly did EU immigration impact the working class? Are you saying that, a school leaver with no skills or qualifications to speak of from Rochdale hoping for a job flipping burgers is put in the unfair position of having that job filled by sonmeone, say, from Poland?