EU Petition

[heartblock]

Yes good point - set a precedent for ignoring a popular vote

[WorkingMummy]

JoeLeg Wrote:

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> But surely if Article 50 already allows for Govts

> to use it, they don't need an Act to go down that

> road?

>

> (Seriously, I've been lacking on sleep lately so

> it's possible I'm being really thick about this,

> but nowhere have I seen anything that said

> Parliament needed to be consulted. Very happy to

> be wrong about it)

Triggering article 50 is the perogative of the government (international relations and treaty formation/conclusion always are). Legally a PM does not need legislation to do it. Practically speaking though, for a move as big as article 50, the government needs a mandate. They could have debated it in parliament and then voted on a motion. They chose to legislate the EU Referendum Act 2015 instead. So we all had our say. The result has no legal effect. But it is an expression of will.

Now. Cameron had a mandate to use his executive powers and invoke Article 50. But he has declined to do it. Any everyone else is rapidly realising that article 50 is suicide and they don't want to do it either, after all. Whoever is the next PM, he/she will need a mandate to invoke it. And given the events of the last few days, may resort to legislation and parliamentary debate to try to avoid pushing the nuclear button that is Article 50.

Alongside this, because ultimately in our constitution Parliament is sovereign, Parliament can (and might) table a bill without government support, aimed at either blocking article 50 or triggering article 50 themselves.

So, loads going on.

[citylover]

Blabla- yes I do, and this country has always been split, it's a sign of how healthy we are with all our different opinions. A single family will even have splits and huge differences of opinion- what's the problem? It's so egotistical to try and force others to think 'your' (in the general sense) way. Would Leavers have demanded a re-run? I don't think so, it's more of a far-leftist trait, protesting against "wrong" results whether it's a general election or the ref, always seems to be due to people being 'misled' or similar nonsense.

[JoeLeg]

citylover Wrote:

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> Blabla- yes I do, and this country has always been

> split, it's a sign of how healthy we are with all

> our different opinions.

But you think that the Remain voters were patronising towards you? How can you see that as healthy?

A single family will even

> have splits and huge differences of opinion-

> what's the problem? It's so egotistical to try and

> force others to think 'your' (in the general

> sense) way. Would Leavers have demanded a re-run?

Nigel Farage said a 52% vote in favour of Remain would be grounds for a new referendum. Now I doubt you are a Farage supporter, and I doubt you agree with him, but many are and do.

> I don't think so, it's more of a far-leftist

> trait, protesting against "wrong" results

I'll agree with that. But then they also tend to lose more often, which is a different debate entirely.

whether

> it's a general election or the ref, always seems

> to be due to people being 'misled' or similar

> nonsense.

Look, don't take this the wrong way (again), but there's ample evidence that the Leace campaign includes some serious misleading, to be charitable about it.

[SoozieW]

4 million plus, plus one

[red devil]

citylover, Leave supporters were coming up with excuses/conspiracies before a vote had even been cast, advising Leave voters to take a pen with them when they voted so that 'they couldn't change your vote'. So to say they wouldn't have protested had Remain won is naive in the extreme...

[Blah Blah]

I agree. If the vote had gone either way on a 3.8% margin, the losing side would be arguing for the same - be it leave or remain.

It's an issue and split that many people people don't understand the complexity of, and a narrow win was always going to lead to fierce division on what happens now.

[Loz]

citylover Wrote:

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> Would Leavers have demanded a re-run? I don't think so, it's more of a far-leftist

> trait, protesting against "wrong" results whether it's a general election or the ref, always seems

> to be due to people being 'misled' or similar nonsense.

The problem with your theory is that a Leaver stated the petition, back at a time when they thought they would lose.

Plus, Farage said repeatedly that a close result would mean he would push for a second referendum (again, when he thought he would lose). http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017

So, would Leavers have demanded a re-run? Quite demonstrably yes.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Can someone send a bus out with, "demand a second referendum and everyone gets a unicorn that shits candy and cries lemonade" written on it? We'll soon have this thing sorted.

[Earl Aelfheah]

... People believe stuff written on buses.

[Jules-and-Boo]

If....if....if....

[Jules-and-Boo]

IF Gove gets in - we've completely had it.... Worst case scenario.

Dismantling of NHS (he wants to privatize it)

Destruction of our schools

War - no doubt - he though the middle east / Iraq conflict was a peaceful endeavor.

IF the British people keep fighting amongst themselves, we will be open to this kind of false promise.... i.e that he can unite/ have our best interests at heart etc... when all the time just planning to destroy everything - he is a truly dangerous man.

[JoeLeg]

Enemy of my enemy is my fried and all that.

Bring on May!

[????]

May has in her leadership pitch:

- dropped Osbourne's law on balancing budget

- dropped tory pland to scrap ECHRC

I think she'd be a great negotiator for us in Brexit talks, if I'm honest.

So hope she wins.

[Lordship 516]

- dropped Osbourne's law on balancing budget

- dropped tory pland to scrap ECHRC

These have been IDS positions for some time so I suppose he is backing her ?