One for Guardian readers

[rgutsell]

Guardian reader?

Check this item; http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2016-06-30/guardian-sinks-into-gutter-on-corbyn-again/

[Loz]

Now I like to give the Guardian a good kicking as much as the next person, but it most media outlets went with similar versions of this story. Even the Beeb.

Corbyn was naive saying anything like that to a room containing many members of the Jewish media community. Of course they were going to take it badly.

[Vick]

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[Otta]

It's been pointed out to me that even the term "Our Jewish friends" is pretty rubbish.

[????]

He can do no wrong to his cult can he?

[rendelharris]

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> He can do no wrong to his cult can he?

Just as much as he can do no right to the haters, I guess.

[????]

Agree with that. And I've always enjoyed been one. But many of his recent critics haven't always been haters, by any means. Although his acolytes swear and shout at them 'blairites' plus added explicits. Bunch of middle class pretend revolutionary wank*ers in the main.

[rendelharris]

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> Agree with that. And I've always enjoyed been one.

> But many of his recent critics haven't always been

> haters, by any means. Although his acolytes swear

> and shout at them 'blairites' plus added

> explicits. Bunch of middle class pretend

> revolutionary @#$%&*ers in the main.

Give me a middle class pretend revolutionary over a working class Tory any day of the week - the former is probably misguided trying to do his/her best, the latter is a traitor to their class trying to do his/her best for themselves and devil take the hindmost. Enjoying being a hater isn't really much to be proud of.

[????]

Middle class radicals have done as much more to wreck working class lives as anyone else. Class traitor rubbish - the cry of spoilt middle class lefties when the plebs don't do what they want them to. Stay in your place proletarian person.

[rendelharris]

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> Middle class radicals have done as much more to

> wreck working class lives as anyone else. Class

> traitor rubbish - the cry of spoilt middle class

> lefties when the plebs don't do what they want

> them to. Stay in your place proletarian person.

Yeah, bloody Atlee and the health service and that, council housing, union rights, all attempts to wreck working class lives. Whereas the right have really done wonders for the working class, which is why we're currently living in such a utopia. Silly person.

[Seabag]

???? Wrote:

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> Middle class radicals have done as much more to

> wreck working class lives as anyone else. Class

> traitor rubbish - the cry of spoilt middle class

> lefties when the plebs don't do what they want

> them to. Stay in your place proletarian person.

Yeahhhh 'vintage' ????' sness is back

[uncleglen]

Yes- the left have succeeded in destroying any aspirations the working classes may have had by getting rid of grammar schools (public school educated labourite Anthony Crosland) and everything else ???? said.

After all, most middle class lefties are probably from working class stock and have parents that went to grammar schools, but what is the point of being middle class if there is no-one to look down on?

Blair finished off the working class by failing to equip them with a trade, and trying to make them go to uni to do stupid courses- and then he filled the skills gap with east europeans.

So now what would have been the working class is now an underclass on benefits....AND that is what Labour wants- uneducated, dependent on the State...voting for them with the hope of an increase in benefits.....or a better council house.

[????]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> ???? Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Middle class radicals have done as much more to

> > wreck working class lives as anyone else. Class

> > traitor rubbish - the cry of spoilt middle

> class

> > lefties when the plebs don't do what they want

> > them to. Stay in your place proletarian person.

>

> Yeah, bloody Atlee and the health service and

> that, council housing, union rights, all attempts

> to wreck working class lives. Whereas the right

> have really done wonders for the working class,

> which is why we're currently living in such a

> utopia. Silly person.

Atlee's government was packed with working class MPs - Corbyn's inner circle and Momentum is packed with middle class w@nkers

[TE44]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-exclusively-reveals-hes-8335834

Corbyn offers to work with mps who walked. Be interesting to see if any will take up the offer.

[Loz]

Not much detail, though. What is he proposing to them that will entice them back into the fold? Considering their problem seems to be his leadership, what can he offer them?

[Alan Medic]

Never quite understood this class thing in the UK. Aren't the working class the one's who would rather live on benefits than work?

[TE44]

Loz He's offering them a chance to look again at

what's important to them, I admire the fact, regardless of how he's been treated he is prepared

to work together with people who have been herded into a backstabbing mentality. The party is divided and good on him for trying, about time labour was shook up, they've become hard to distinguish fro tories fo a long time now.

[Ruffler]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> Never quite understood this class thing in the UK.

> Aren't the working class the one's who would

> rather live on benefits than work?

Eh? Is that supposed to be funny/ironic? If not, it's pretty offensive.

[Loz]

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> Loz He's offering them a chance to look again at what's important to them, I admire the fact,

> regardless of how he's been treated he is prepared to work together with people who have been herded

> into a backstabbing mentality.

Considering it involves 80% of the PLP, he has little choice. If he tries to play hard ball, it will almost certainly end in a schism.

And what is important to them is quite obvious - they want to be elected. Unless Corbyn can show he can win a general election, he's got nothing to offer them. They have already decided he is an electoral liability, so I'm not sure what he can say to convince them otherwise.

[????]

I think the thing that horrifies much of the PLP is his complete incompetence rather than his ideology - the Corbynistas hide his uselessness behind 'the new kind of politics mantra'

[Louisa]

Tiresome party politics. A deluded metro-socialist who wants to be in charge of a protest group, with no intention whatsoever of winning a general election.

Louisa.

[Seabag]

Nobody 'actually' believes he's ever eveeeeeeeeer 'really' going to get the job as PM

Do they?

Now come on, that's plain silly

[TE44]

I don't quite get where this unelectable status

has came from. When you look at most of the puppets, psychopaths, etc. who have been elected,

or the ones who will be standing for pm, I just

can't see why he's that unelectable, other than the labour party moving so far right, its impossible for the majority support. I'm glad he's

refusing to go its showing the labour party for what they are.

[Otta]

Middle class / working class

IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go on, someone define working class in 2016 for me. And then do middle class in 2016.

Oh, and this

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> But many of his recent critics haven't always been

> haters, by any means.

[Louisa]

All it's really showing is the sensible majority of the electorate in the middle, are seeing the Labour Party being held hostage by a fringe movement on the far left, supported by a bunch of radicals from various protest movements who obtained membership for three quid so they could scream loudly and get nothing achieved. He is unelectable in the same way Michael Foot was unelectable in the 80's. History repeating itself, can you not see that? He is appealing only to a sizeable chunk of members and no one else. The PLP recognise this, and don't want to be non-effective forever, it's bad for the party, it's bad for the country and it's bad for democracy.

Louisa.