Farage resigns

[Otta]

Haha

[Otta]

Who is Nora Batty, Theresa May?

[Loz]

Otta Wrote:

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> Who is Nora Batty, Theresa May?

... or Harriet Harman.

Actually, definitely Harriet Harman.

[red devil]

Boris Johnson can be Foggy...like his politics

[Seabag]

miga Wrote:

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> Loz Wrote:

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> > Green Goose Wrote:

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> > > The Commission, which is the Executive ie

> makes

> > all the decisions ( headed by Junker) is

> > unelected.

> >

> > Only if you consider the Prime Minister and the

> > cabinet unelected. The commission is comprised

> of

> > 1 person from each country, appointed by each

> > elected national government.

> >

> > Since you have no idea how the EU works, GG,

> > here's some unbiased reading for you...

> >

> >

> https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims

>

> > -brussels-bureaucrats/

> >

> > "The Commission is perhaps the most visible EU

> > institution, but it is not necessarily the most

> > powerful and is certainly not the government of

> > Europe."

>

> I haven't seen a return on any of these factual

> rebuttals of the "faceless bureaucrats" and

> "unelected dictators" shtick. Anywhere. Yet people

> hold onto their beliefs.

>

> What I take away from this, and from the

> referendum, is that there is a large section of

> the population who are mentally incapable of

> processing simple information, but are very

> certain of their beliefs.

I've asked a couple of times on here, but the ones I've seen using this kind of language (Foxy & dogger) just ignore the question or the basis for it

Then I read in this week's New Scientist an article on belief and fact, which very much talks of the fact/belief emotion

It seems that facts get in the way of the emotion driven belief

So unless like Louisa, you see the lies and go back over what you've been led to believe, then you'll most likely dig-in and hang onto the position you've taken

No matter what goes on there after

[Louisa]

Seabag absolutely correct.

I have allowed the emotional post-vote response to sink in, and I have no regrets about my repositioning on this one. The facts (as warned by numerous people from remain) have already started to come true. Whether the extent of those factual outcomes are as bad as some predit, I don't think any of us can possibly judge. But there is a clear and consise basis for a noticeable and happening, negative knock on effect of brexit. On the other side of the argument, all we have seen is 'not me guv' style politics, with resignations and backsliding of the most excruciating kind.

I do hope and pray we come through any negative outcomes, but to deny they are/will happen is very head in sand. Some people on this forum it seems, are not willing to admit defeat.

Louisa.

[Otta]

Not only defeat Lou, some people (well one specific one) finds it absolutely impossible to admit that they are wrong about anything.

[Rook]

Ah hello Louisa!

Im not sure that arguing that markets are now reflecting uncertainty post vote (and pre negotiation, pre brexit) are grounds for anyone to claim that someone is "wrong". I would have thought this market reaction was widely expected? Not helped by the government playing politics with the decision when they should be getting on with it mind you..

[Loz]

Seabag Wrote:

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> miga Wrote:

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> > I haven't seen a return on any of these factual

> > rebuttals of the "faceless bureaucrats" and

> > "unelected dictators" shtick. Anywhere. Yet people

> > hold onto their beliefs.

> >

> > What I take away from this, and from the

> > referendum, is that there is a large section of

> > the population who are mentally incapable of

> > processing simple information, but are very

> > certain of their beliefs.

>

>

> I've asked a couple of times on here, but the ones

> I've seen using this kind of language (Foxy &

> dogger) just ignore the question or the basis for

> it

>

> Then I read in this week's New Scientist an article on belief and fact, which very much talks

> of the fact/belief emotion

>

> It seems that facts get in the way of the emotion driven belief

Actually, that Horizon programme last week covered this as well in that it touched on 'confirmation bias' (amongst other biases). T'was very good and worth catching up on iPlayer (though it was a repeat from 2014, anyway)

[KidKruger]

I just find it so sad that so many people (encouraged by the Leave campaign with 'justifications' and 'advantages') have done exactly the opposite of "get Britain 'back'". They've pissed on the country, just to pursue selfish obsessions around immigration or other xenophobic-based 'ideals', caring nothing for the younger people who've (well, had) their life ahead of them. Traitors the lot of them.

[WorkingMummy]

Agreed.

They also care nothing for the families that Brexit will break up or force to migrate.