Jump to content

Recommended Posts

miga Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Loz Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Green Goose Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> > -----

> > > The Commission, which is the Executive ie

> makes

> > all the decisions ( headed by Junker) is

> > unelected.

> >

> > Only if you consider the Prime Minister and the

> > cabinet unelected. The commission is comprised

> of

> > 1 person from each country, appointed by each

> > elected national government.

> >

> > Since you have no idea how the EU works, GG,

> > here's some unbiased reading for you...

> >

> >

> https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims

>

> > -brussels-bureaucrats/

> >

> > "The Commission is perhaps the most visible EU

> > institution, but it is not necessarily the most

> > powerful and is certainly not the government of

> > Europe."

>

> I haven't seen a return on any of these factual

> rebuttals of the "faceless bureaucrats" and

> "unelected dictators" shtick. Anywhere. Yet people

> hold onto their beliefs.

>

> What I take away from this, and from the

> referendum, is that there is a large section of

> the population who are mentally incapable of

> processing simple information, but are very

> certain of their beliefs.



I've asked a couple of times on here, but the ones I've seen using this kind of language (Foxy & dogger) just ignore the question or the basis for it


Then I read in this week's New Scientist an article on belief and fact, which very much talks of the fact/belief emotion


It seems that facts get in the way of the emotion driven belief


So unless like Louisa, you see the lies and go back over what you've been led to believe, then you'll most likely dig-in and hang onto the position you've taken


No matter what goes on there after

Seabag absolutely correct.


I have allowed the emotional post-vote response to sink in, and I have no regrets about my repositioning on this one. The facts (as warned by numerous people from remain) have already started to come true. Whether the extent of those factual outcomes are as bad as some predit, I don't think any of us can possibly judge. But there is a clear and consise basis for a noticeable and happening, negative knock on effect of brexit. On the other side of the argument, all we have seen is 'not me guv' style politics, with resignations and backsliding of the most excruciating kind.


I do hope and pray we come through any negative outcomes, but to deny they are/will happen is very head in sand. Some people on this forum it seems, are not willing to admit defeat.


Louisa.

Ah hello Louisa!


Im not sure that arguing that markets are now reflecting uncertainty post vote (and pre negotiation, pre brexit) are grounds for anyone to claim that someone is "wrong". I would have thought this market reaction was widely expected? Not helped by the government playing politics with the decision when they should be getting on with it mind you..

Seabag Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> miga Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------


> > I haven't seen a return on any of these factual

> > rebuttals of the "faceless bureaucrats" and

> > "unelected dictators" shtick. Anywhere. Yet people

> > hold onto their beliefs.

> >

> > What I take away from this, and from the

> > referendum, is that there is a large section of

> > the population who are mentally incapable of

> > processing simple information, but are very

> > certain of their beliefs.

>

>

> I've asked a couple of times on here, but the ones

> I've seen using this kind of language (Foxy &

> dogger) just ignore the question or the basis for

> it

>

> Then I read in this week's New Scientist an article on belief and fact, which very much talks

> of the fact/belief emotion

>

> It seems that facts get in the way of the emotion driven belief


Actually, that Horizon programme last week covered this as well in that it touched on 'confirmation bias' (amongst other biases). T'was very good and worth catching up on iPlayer (though it was a repeat from 2014, anyway)

I just find it so sad that so many people (encouraged by the Leave campaign with 'justifications' and 'advantages') have done exactly the opposite of "get Britain 'back'". They've pissed on the country, just to pursue selfish obsessions around immigration or other xenophobic-based 'ideals', caring nothing for the younger people who've (well, had) their life ahead of them. Traitors the lot of them.

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Latest Discussions

    • But all those examples sell a wide variety of things,  and mostly they are well spread out along Lordship Lane. These two shops both sell one very specific thing, albeit in different flavours, and are just across the road from each other. I don't think you can compare the distribution of shops in Roman times to the distribution of shops in Lordship Lane in the twenty first century. Well, you can, but it doesn't feel very appropriate. Haa anybody asked the first shop how they feel? Are they happy about the "healthy competition" ?
    • ED is included in the 17 August closure set (or just possibly 15 August, depending on which part of the page you trust more) listed at https://metro.co.uk/2025/07/25/full-list-25-poundland-stores-confirmed-close-august-23753048/. Here incidentally are some snippets from their annual reports, at https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/02495645/filing-history. 2022: " during the period we opened 41 stores and closed 43 loss-making/under-performing stores.  At the period-end we were trading from 821 stores in the UK, IoM and ROI. ... "We renogotiated 82 leases in the year, saving on average 45% versus the prior lease agreement..." 2023: "We also continued to improve our market footprint through sourcing better store locations, opening 53 and closing 51 stores during the year." 2024:  "The ex-Wilco stores acquired in the prior year have formed a core part of this strategy to expand our store network.  We favour quality over quantity and during the period we opened 84 stores and closed 71 loss-making/under-performing ones."
    • Ha! After I posted this, I thought of lots more examples. Screwfix and the hardware store? Mrs Robinson and Jumping Bean? Chemists, plant shops, hairdressers...  the list goes on... it's good to have healthy competition  Ooooh! Two cheese shops
    • You've got a point.  Thinking Leyland and Screwfix too but this felt different.
Home
Events
Sign In

Sign In



Or sign in with one of these services

Search
×
    Search In
×
×
  • Create New...