make doherty history

[Jah Lush]

Brendan Wrote:

> Hendrix could play as quickly and technically as

> any of his contemporaries most notably Eric

> Clapton.

He was a terrific showman too. And he could play better with his teeth than Old Slowhand ever could with his fingers. Clappedout is the most overrated guitar player ever. Hendrix was a God!

[Keef]

Can't stand Clapton's music, but he is a good guitarist!

[Jah Lush]

Ok EC's good when he plays the blues but Jeff Beck is the master.

[SeanMacGabhann]

something about that Dan Le Sac track has always bothered me but encountering it again made me realise what: (it's not a deep thought so don't hold your breath)

I get unduly worked up by how much I hate some of the bands on that list in "...just a band" but there is no denying that when you are young and get into music for the first time, it is the opposite of JUST a band. If you choose wisely you can have your world opened to a whole bunch of other influences from writers to films to philosophies. Which all in turn can lead to other things

Of course you could choose unwisely, get into Simply Red and ossify for the next 60 years ;-)

[Jah Lush]

Well said Sean. I have got into so many different and interesting streams of music, literature, art etc etc through various listening habits, starting with the Stones when I was a kid.

[capt_birdseye]

Keef Wrote:

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> Can't stand Clapton's music, but he is a good

> guitarist!

Bit harsh Keef! There's some good stuff in there! Cream were ace (Badge, White Room, Sunshine of your love etc). He can keep his Tears in Heaven though.

[Brendan]

I like tears in heaven. There you go! I said it! Whew.

But then I once went to a Spice Girls concert so what would I know?

[mamafeelgood]

back on thread about american exports ...

50 cent/pence/shillings/new pounds: however you wrap it up it's awful!

[mamafeelgood]

damn, wrong thread! excuse last post, i'm pasting it now on the right one ...

[James]

On the subject of "just a band"...

I reckon that for something to be more than "just a band" it has to shift the paradigm - as distinct from simply being in the right place at the right time.

I would put the Beatles, Stevie Wonder, T-Rex, the Stone Roses, Bowie, Prince and Bjork in the first category. These are artists who have performed a kind of musical alchemy, reprocessing influences to create something entirely new and wonderful.

I place Pete Doherty firmly in the latter. There is nothing innovative about his music. It is pastiche (of The Clash - themselves paradigm-shifters), performed with a kind of junkie panache which, along with the cult of his celebrity status and all this Albion bullsh*t is seductive to some. Especially teenagers, gawd bless 'em.

[Brendan]

The Clash were just a band the Ramones were the paradigm-shifters.

[Alan Dale]

You missed UB40.

[MadWorld74]

shouldn't this be lounged for not being about Doherty anymore?...........;-)

[mockney piers]

Were Television any less so than the Ramones?

[Brendan]

Hmmm. good question there Mockney. They did form 1 year earlier than the ramones.

[Brendan]

Anyway what the fuck would I know I wasn't even alive then and only discovered the Ramones in the mid 90s.

[MadWorld74]

guess the administrator has selective lounging techniques......:-S

[mockney piers]

Madworld, this got lounged days ago!!

True Brendan, I discovered Television in 1998!!

I do remember Blondie first time around, but during the birth of punk i was in potty training.

[MadWorld74]

where am i? oh, the lounge....sorry guys carry on. Now where was that other place I was looking for.....

[Jeremy]

Brendan Wrote:

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> The Clash were just a band the Ramones were the

> paradigm-shifters.

Wrong, The Clash were very innovative... they were pioneers in terms of political content. And by blending reggae/ska and other styles with the punk formula, they paved the way for a whole load of new bands whose influence can still be heard in today's new music.

I do love The Ramones, but their records were essentially stripped down 50s rock n roll played badly. You can arguably hear their influence in tracks like "white riot", but The Clash very quickly moved forwards.

[capt_birdseye]

Maybe there should be a level below the lounge? The dungeon perhaps.

[smith]

or the 'cat litter tray'!

[mockney piers]

Agreed, the clash were far more than just punk. But they were representative of a scene, the Specials were treading the same ground at exactly the same time.

London Calling is a landmark album, but isn't the towering perfection of music critics' masturbatory fantasies.

Originality, grounbreaking, spawning countless imitators, changing the nature of the music industry.

Look no further than Take That!!!!

I'm only partially joking ;-P

[James]

East 17 were the paradigm-shifters surely!!???

[mockney piers]

Haha, you may have a point there James.