US. Election should we be concerned who wins..?

[DulwichFox]

Should we be concerned who wins the US Election ?

Does anyone here even care ?

I cannot remember so much coverage about other US Elections in the past.

All the Hype.. Controversy.. Back Stabbing.. Allegations. ?

I don't understand UK Politics let alone US Politics.

How might the result affect the UK. ?

Views. ?

DulwichFox

[Salsaboy]

One is a lying, cheating twat with too much money. The other is Donald Trump.

[rendelharris]

There was a terrifying interview just over a week ago on PM with Tony Schwartz, who co-wrote (or according to him actually just wrote) The Art of the Deal with Trump. Think it's available of listen again. Well worth it.

In an interview with The Guardian, Schwartz said: [A Trump presidency could, he warns, lead to martial law, the end of press freedom and the risk of nuclear war:] ?Staggeringly dangerous. Worse than I imagined when he began to run. Unthinkable. Horrifying. He?s way more out of control in the last couple of months than I?ve ever seen him. He doesn?t have any core beliefs beyond his own aggrandisement and power.?

[DulwichFox]

I just find it incredible that in the whole of the US it's come down to choosing between those two.

In the States, do they have a leader of the opposition as we do in the UK. ?

Will Trump still have some power if he loses. ? How does it work. ?

DulwichFox.

[rendelharris]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> I just find it incredible that in the whole of the

> US it's come down to choosing between those two.

>

> In the States, do they have a leader of the

> opposition as we do in the UK. ?

> Will Trump still have some power if he loses. ?

No, the loser is wiped out - neither Clinton or Trump are the leader of their respective parties. The opposition to the President will be led by the leaders of the losing party in the senate and congress (who may quite possibly hold a majority, especially if Clinton wins - it's as if we voted for PM then had an entirely separate election for our MPs).

[steveo]

The New York Times says the mood in the Trump camp is like the final days in Hitler's bunker.

So the loser might well be wiped out

[snowy]

And then he'll launch his Trump TV channel with Farage on the sofa.

That and minor civil war from the survivalist tea party types.

[Otta]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> There was a terrifying interview just over a week

> ago on PM with Tony Schwartz, who co-wrote (or

> according to him actually just wrote) The Art of

> the Deal with Trump. Think it's available of

> listen again. Well worth it.

>

> In an interview with The Guardian, Schwartz said:

> ?Staggeringly dangerous. Worse than I imagined

> when he began to run. Unthinkable. Horrifying.

> He?s way more out of control in the last couple of

> months than I?ve ever seen him. He doesn?t have

> any core beliefs beyond his own aggrandisement and

> power.?

I heard him on R4 the day after that. Yep, scary.

Although to Fox's OP. There is always loads of coverage of the US election. Perhaps not quite this much, because the media don't usually get so many headlines from outragious statements. But it's always all over the news leading in to it.

[jaywalker]

I think there is a more general phenomenon of interest here (for what it is worth, I can see Hilary being more terrifying in foreign policy even than Trump given that she suffers, in a rather similar way to May, from the self-mirroring legitimation of having to her certain knowledge a belle ?me not available to her opponents). Trumps one saving-grace, perhaps, is that he is self-parodic.

The general interest is the way that the loose connotations of who we take ourselves to be (in normal people these are quite fragmented, uncertain, fragile and thus induce a certain modest diffidence that is wholly to be commended) are being crystallised by populism into self-certainties (think of May for what she no doubt thinks is a benign version of this - one free of cynicism, just pure of soul; so the courts are just a perspective, the people's view is paramount, the popular press quite right to have their say).

So brexit=brexit=brexit is quite interesting. That is, it reduces a loose and pragmatic engagement with a hard and certain value. This is then translated into policy. In the USA for some time there has been a myth. It is that freedom is against slavery (oh the irony) and this is like democracy is against tyranny (so launch the drones) and this in turn is like the USA against the enemy. So the USA becomes whole, a certain value, a myth (well ask some of the doubters who live there): it becomes obvious that freedom=democracy=America.

Of course on our side of the pond this means we think we can deport UK citizens with a good conscience to buttress the 'special relationship'.

[Loz]

As someone said on a news discussion programme the other evening: Clinton is the second worst thing that could happen to the US on Tuesday.

Pretty much sums up the whole grim episode.

[KidKruger]

"Should we be concerned who wins the US Election ?"

Only if you give a shit about the most powerful Western country with the most seriously perverted and hypocritical foreign policy, a massive nuclear arsenal, a population significantly exposed as being xenophobic, bigoted (race, LGBT, faith), religious zealots, being represented throughout the world by a psychopath.

If you weren't concerned, you may also not be bothered by an asteroid about to hit the Earth, Armageddon, rising sea levels, other catastrophic events that would destroy life as we know it, or widespread disease and famine.

[Alan Medic]

You forgot the gun lobby KK..........

[Seabag]

This is global politics Fox, not the culmination of a box set or a series on Netflix

Ffs

[JohnL]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> If you weren't concerned, you may also not be

> bothered by an asteroid about to hit the Earth,

> Armageddon, rising sea levels, other catastrophic

> events that would destroy life as we know it, or

> widespread disease and famine.

Some of the British people aren't - just keep people running

from these things out (except the rich, they can come).

[Jah Lush]

"US. Election should we be concerned who wins..?"

That's just about the most fatuous statement I've seen on this election.

[Earl Aelfheah]

This idea that Clinton and Trump are both as bad as each other is completely wrong. you may not like Hilary much, but Trump! He is extremely dangerous in my opinion. His behaviour has been completely outrageous and should worry any sane person.

[uncleglen]

reminds me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0BuPgrBwHU

[Otta]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> This idea that Clinton and Trump are both as bad

> as each other is completely wrong. you may not

> like Hilary much, but Trump! He is extremely

> dangerous in my opinion. His behaviour has been

> completely outrageous and should worry any sane

> person.

Agreed

[DulwichFox]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> "US. Election should we be concerned who wins..?"

>

>

> That's just about the most fatuous statement I've

> seen on this election.

It was not a Statement.. It was a question.

DulwichFox

[Jah Lush]

Whatever. Nonetheless it is still fatuous.

[Seabag]

Basically Fox, yes we should

Trump confirms the worst in the politics of doubt, and then absolute conviction of untruth.

It's a horrible play into the dumbed down world of real politic

Remember when Louisa and Dogger were banging on about the great values of Brexit

Now nothing from either, it's tragic & we'e all in the sh1te

Donny boy is just a thin

[Sue]

Thin what?

[New Girl]

Otta Wrote:

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> rahrahrah Wrote:

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> > This idea that Clinton and Trump are both as

> bad

> > as each other is completely wrong. you may not

> > like Hilary much, but Trump! He is extremely

> > dangerous in my opinion. His behaviour has been

> > completely outrageous and should worry any sane

> > person.

>

>

> Agreed

Indeed. You may not like her but she's certainly more stable and grounded.

I mean come on. It's Trump. He's a haywire and comes across trigger happy. My impression is he jumps into things due to his ideology, without thinking anyyyyything through. Commander in Chief qualities? No.

Then again, Brex-shit happened, so I guess anything goes. What do I know?

[New Girl]

Sue Wrote:

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> Thin what?

He's just thin?? :)

[JohnL]

New Girl Wrote:

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> Indeed. You may not like her but she's certainly

> more stable and grounded.

>

> I mean come on. It's Trump. He's a haywire and

> comes across trigger happy. My impression is he

> jumps into things due to his ideology, without

> thinking anyyyyything through. Commander in Chief

> qualities? No.

>

> Then again, Brex-shit happened, so I guess

> anything goes. What do I know?

Maybe he'll get a good team around him.

But supreme court will now be anti abortion, anti gay marriage and pro more death penalties.

Hide the nuclear triggers - just hide them :)