Jump to content

Recommended Posts

I see that the Best Western hotel that is being renovated on Peckham Road have erected a display in the courtyard of a yellow Reliant Regal complete with brown suitcase and Delboy and Rodney wax works. How long has this been there? If we in South East London are ever going to shake our image as good for nothing except making an exceptionally good deal this shameless appropriation our culture by corporate interests for their own financial gain really must stop.
Link to comment
https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/132618-reinforcing-stereotypes/
Share on other sites

I can't quite work out why anyone staying in a hotel would want to be surrounded by such tacky memorabilia (I believe the theme extends to the interior, complete with "luvly jubbly" stencilled onto the headboards).


I don't really see it as appropriation of Peckham's culture though, as in reality the show had little to do with Peckham.

Peckham and similar inner London areas had a history of working class wheeler dealers going back long before the BBC commissioned this show back in the 80's. The history of the docks and proximity of the river, along with the costermongers has always helped shape the culture and accent of these inner London neighbourhoods. Things have changed quite dramatically in the last thirty years or so, and perhaps this 'element' to the culture has dispersed and become less relevant to most living there now, but cultural elements still remain and have helped shape these places.


The BBC sitcom was only reinforcing that stereotyped cultural element, done in a tongue in cheek manner. If you take it seriously and don't laugh it off for what it is, then you really must be pretty stupid. Even the Daily Mail is being nice about Peckham now. Anyone who listens to this stuff and thinks that's what Peckham is 'really like' won't visit and that's probably a good thing, because they must be complete idiots. Everyone else who comes and sees the other side to the neighbourhood , clearly didn't take such stereotypes seriously in the first place and took them in good humour.


Louisa.

Jeremy Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> I can't quite work out why anyone staying in a

> hotel would want to be surrounded by such tacky

> memorabilia (I believe the theme extends to the

> interior, complete with "luvly jubbly" stencilled

> onto the headboards).

>

> I don't really see it as appropriation of

> Peckham's culture though, as in reality the show

> had little to do with Peckham.


That is right ... None of the programmes were filmed in Peckham..

Mostly filmed in Ealing and Bristol.

The Nags Head Pub in Peckham was originally The Morning Star.


I do not remember ever seeing the outside of the Nags Head in the programme. Always the interior. (Studio).


Foxy

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/feb/03/cities-culture-peckham-only-fools-and-horses-del-boy-se15


"The Nag?s Head


There is a pub of the same name in Rye Lane, Peckham. But this blamelessly ungastropubified joint (very different from, say, more genteel SE15 establishments such as The Rye, with its sunken terrace and outdoor table tennis tables) was, sadly, never used as a location in the series. Instead, a vast range of boozers stood in for the Trotters? favourite watering hole, some of them in Bristol and at least one demolished. But not all. The London pubs used as locations for the Nag?s Head include the Middlesex Arms (Long Drive, South Ruislip, HA4 0HG) and the Bolton Hotel (Duke Road, Chiswick). In 2015, neither is the kind of place the Trotters would have patronised: the former serves mocktails, whatever they are, and the latter stopped being a pub in 1995 and was converted for residential use ? the unacceptable fate of many the British boozer in the post-Only Fools and Horses age."

Henry_17 Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> How long has this been there? If we in

> ?

> this shameless appropriation our culture by corporate interests

> for their own financial gain really must stop.


A couple of months now. When it first appeared, I noticed lots of drivers and passers-by pointing and laughing. If it gets attention and business, and keeps a local business in the black, and improves on the reputedly dire former Peckham Lodge, it's all good! :)

Louisa Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Peckham and similar inner London areas had a

> history of working class wheeler dealers going

> back long before the BBC commissioned this show

> back in the 80's. The history of the docks and

> proximity of the river, along with the

> costermongers has always helped shape the culture

> and accent of these inner London neighbourhoods.

> Things have changed quite dramatically in the last

> thirty years or so, and perhaps this 'element' to

> the culture has dispersed and become less relevant

> to most living there now, but cultural elements

> still remain and have helped shape these places.

>

> The BBC sitcom was only reinforcing that

> stereotyped cultural element, done in a tongue in

> cheek manner. If you take it seriously and don't

> laugh it off for what it is, then you really must

> be pretty stupid. Even the Daily Mail is being

> nice about Peckham now. Anyone who listens to this

> stuff and thinks that's what Peckham is 'really

> like' won't visit and that's probably a good

> thing, because they must be complete idiots.

> Everyone else who comes and sees the other side to

> the neighbourhood , clearly didn't take such

> stereotypes seriously in the first place and took

> them in good humour.

>

> Louisa.


100% agree. More generally, not all stereotypes are harmful.

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Latest Discussions

    • Per Cllr McAsh, as quoted above: “We are currently updating our Enforcement Policy and changes will allow for the issuing of civil penalties ranging from £175 to £300 for visible smoke emissions, replacing the previous reliance on criminal prosecution. " Is anyone au fait with the Clean Air Act 1993, and  particularly with the state of 'Smoke Control' law and practice generally?  I've just been looking  through some of it for the first time and, afaics, the civil penalties mentioned  were introduced into the Clean Air Act, at Schedule 1A, in May 2022.  So it seems that, in this particular,  it's a matter of the enforcement policy trailing well behind the legislation.  I'm not criticising that at all, but am curious.  
    • Here's the part of march46's linked-to Southwark News article pertaining to Southwark Council. "Southwark Council were also contacted for a response. "Councillor James McAsh, Cabinet Member for Clean Air, Streets & Waste said: “One of Southwark’s key priorities is to create a healthy environment for our residents. “To achieve this we closely monitor legislation and measures that influence air pollution – our entire borough apart from inland waterways is designated as a Smoke Control Area, and we also offer substantial provision for electric vehicles to promote alternative fuel travel options and our Streets for People strategy. “We as a council support the work of Mums for Lungs and recognise the health and environmental impacts of domestic solid fuel burning, particularly from wood-burning appliances. “We are currently updating our Enforcement Policy and changes will allow for the issuing of civil penalties ranging from £175 to £300 for visible smoke emissions, replacing the previous reliance on criminal prosecution.  “This work is being undertaken in collaboration with other London boroughs as part of the pan-London Wood Burning Project, which aims to harmonise enforcement approaches and share best practice across the capital.” ETA: And here's a post I made a few years ago, with tangential relevance.  https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/278140-early-morning-drone-flying/?do=findComment&comment=1493274  
    • The solicitor is also the Executor. Big mistake, but my Aunt was very old, and this was the Covid years and shortly after so impossible to intervene and get a couple of close relatives to do this.  She had no children so this is the nephews and nieces. He is a single practitioner, and most at his age would have long since retired - there is a question over his competence Two letters have already gone essentially complaining - batted off and 'amusingly' one put the blame on us. There are five on our side, all speaking to each other, and ideally would work as a single point of contact.  But he has said that this is not allowed - we've all given approval to act on each others behalf. There are five on her late husband's side, who have not engaged with us despite the suggestion to work as a team, There is one other, who get's the lion's share, the typicical 'friend', but we are long since challenging the will. I would like to put another complaint together that he has not used modern collective communication (I expect that he is incapable) which had seriously delayed the execution of the will.   I know many in their 80s very adept with smart phones so that is not an ageist comment. The house has deteriorated very badly, with cold, damp and a serious leak.  PM me if you want to see the dreadful condition that it is now in. I would also question why if the five of us are happy to work together why all of us need to confirm in writing.             The house was lived in until Feb 23, and has been allowed to get like this.
    • Isn’t a five yearly electricity safety certificate one of the things the landlord must give for a legal tenancy?
Home
Events
Sign In

Sign In



Or sign in with one of these services

Search
×
    Search In
×
×
  • Create New...