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Jeremy Wrote:

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> Our wreath was stolen last year, and it cost less

> than half of that. I wouldn't bother if I were

> you!


Mine is still up. Just thought I'd let you know.


OP that wreath is beautiful but I do feel rather pricey. I'd want to learn how to make my own for that price, you know where you can take it home after and you've had a nice lunch too :))

I seem to remember paying about ?5 at Aldi last year and was pretty happy. Put it this way, nobody felt the need to steal it! The Indo has put together a handy guide to Christmas wreaths and Aldi make the list with their ?7.99 2016 offering. http://www.independent.co.uk/extras/indybest/christmasgifts/decorations/best-real-wreaths-christmas-aldi-interflora-a6765226.html

I got one from their Frogley Road shop (same people as the Fresh Flower Company but more plan focused). Mine cost 40 quid and was lovely.


If I saw one I wanted for 65 quid, I'd buy it because I can afford to. If you can afford it and you love it why not. The one I got was made out of pinecones so I'll be able to rehang it. I haven't put it up yet but maybe it will go be hung from the inside of my window rather than on the door if people are really stealing them in ED!

KidKruger Wrote:

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> ?65 to celebrate the birth of a ju-ju man in the

> sky, a made-up God, a superstory of fables and

> exaggerations, all because of indoctrination and

> "this is what we do" ??

>

> NO thanks.


no, because it is attractive, seasonal, hospitable, welcoming, represents the season, and spreads a little cheer.

KidKruger Wrote:

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> ?65 to celebrate the birth of a ju-ju man in the

> sky, a made-up God, a superstory of fables and

> exaggerations, all because of indoctrination and

> "this is what we do" ??

>

> NO thanks.



KK greenery at this time of year is about the Solstice and the return of light and growth.


It's got nothing to do with religious superstition.


A bit like Easter eggs.


ETA: The Christians hijacked existing festivals and superimposed their own beliefs onto them, so Christmas and Easter were previously celebrating something completely different.


Google it :)

Yeah yeah I get it I get it OK.


The point is many people spend crazy money this time of year and don't know why, they just do it because "it's done".

They don't "just google it" or have any idea why their doing it, this is probably one of the only times I'll ever align, even partially, with grok.


"seasonal, hospitable, welcoming, represents the season" - nice slogan but total piffle IMO.


Anyway Happy Xmaaaaaaas !

(Oops, used a greeting which should have been a pre-pagan, mid-dark ages, post-gobbledegook expression of fuckwittery)

KK you aren't usually such a misery!


How do you know why people do things? Maybe it's because they like to have a good time and an excuse to celebrate with their friends and family at the darkest time of the year?


My google suggestion was related to your comment about religion, and nothing to do with spending money :)

People like traditions and doing things because they are done. Every human society has evolved this way creating festivals and ceremonies that happen every year and have attached specific activities etc to them. It makes people feel rooted in tradition which most people around the world find comforting and enjoyable. Decorating your village and home during annual festivals is also a deep rooted human tradition and makes many people feel happy.


I find it hard to understand what you don't understand about this behaviour given its kind of fundamental to being a human being as it exists across basically all human history and all human cultures universally.




KidKruger Wrote:

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> Yeah yeah I get it I get it OK.

>

> The point is many people spend crazy money this

> time of year and don't know why, they just do it

> because "it's done".

> They don't "just google it" or have any idea why

> their doing it, this is probably one of the only

> times I'll ever align, even partially, with grok.

>

> "seasonal, hospitable, welcoming, represents the

> season" - nice slogan but total piffle IMO.

>

> Anyway Happy Xmaaaaaaas !

> (Oops, used a greeting which should have been a

> pre-pagan, mid-dark ages, post-gobbledegook

> expression of fuckwittery)

Yes all the 'religious' paraphenalia that is based on plants and fertility are stolen from pre-christianity...it makes more sense to celebrate the wonders and bountry of mother earth than 'the ju-ju man in the sky'. Unfortunately, too many people are plundering these days...the JWs think that on 'the day' the pollution will all disappear..they really are something else.
KK - Christmas has many and complex origins. Older traditions and beliefs have been co-opted, appropriated and re-framed by religions, by commercial organisations, by literature and embedded in secular 'traditions'. Fundamentally, most people are not deeply religious, if they're religious at all, but most tend to celebrate Christmas as a shared, cultural event. It's no bad thing IMO. I bet you 'celebrate' the world cup, or whatever happens to be your bag. It's the same, in that it's a time that everyone joins together in a collective, cultural ritual or celebration.

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