10:10 climate change campaign video

[PeckhamRose]

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[Peckhamgatecrasher]

You mullered the sainted, sexy Davide! Blow me up now - I'm not having any of it!

[Pearson]

brilliant!

[Loz]

Who side is this on? If I was making a video taking the piss out of the near-fanatical global warming - erm - climate change followers, I wouldn't change much. Not that it's not a good idea to cut down on resource use, carbon emissions, etc, but it is getting to be a bit of a cult.

[Pearson]

Climate change is bollocks.

We certainly weren't around during the last ice age to be accused of that thank god.

[katie1997]

Loz Wrote:

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> Who side is this on? If I was making a video

> taking the piss out of the near-fanatical global

> warming - erm - climate change followers, I

> wouldn't change much. Not that it's not a good

> idea to cut down on resource use, carbon

> emissions, etc, but it is getting to be a bit of a

> cult.

Agree with this sentiment but the video is an illustration of the dire, patronising, nauseating "scientific" "facts" we are all (sadly) subject to these days.

Cherry-picking of data and 'facts'. Great. What were the complaints? Too graphic? Too ironic (being set in a school and all, I mean, are we really having children in these eco-aware times, huh?) etc, etc? Jesus.

Dubious as Al Gore's "Science".

* shoots self (composts potato peel first) *

[Huguenot]

Was that a joke katie? I can't quite make out if it was ironic.

There are no 'scientific' facts in the video at all. It's notable by the absence of 'scientific'.

I'm impressed that you seemed to turn 'scientific' into an insult.

'Scientific' gave us the shoes we walk on, the clothes that keep us warm, the roof over our heads, the roads we drive on, the car we drive in, the food we eat, the beer we drink, the electricity that powers our TV.

It would take a considerably stupid prat not to realise that. Considerably.

But it hasn't given us, apparently, any common sense. At all.

So when we fancy it, we're all quite keen on 'scientific'

It is so utterly disappointing to me, that whatever the wit and engagement of our fellow men, we don't seem to grasp the obvious reality that we are shitting on our own doorstep.

[louisiana]

Cognitive dissonance, old bean.

[Huguenot]

I know, I know... Once I get on my horse etc.

silverfox would say the same thing without a whiff of irony, and of the 15,000 regular viewers of this forum I don't know how many of them are so much in agreement with him/her that they'd take katie's wit as affirmation.

It drives me nuts that rubbish is just something that's taken away, and pollution is just something that blows away. It is so so difficult to grasp how many people there are in the world, and what a small place it is.

*casts around distractedly*

[SeanMacGabhann]

I read katies post as pro-science just against bad science.

[charliecharlie]

not funny, not clever... one's so preoccupied by the vile splat and violent blowing up of bodies that the message is completely overshadowed... bad bad bad advertising

I have been a member or 10:10 since it first started and now thinking again....

[Huguenot]

Well, she may be, but as I said there are no 'scientific' facts in the video at all. It's notable by the absence of 'scientific'. It's an advert targeting the 'right hand' side of the brain, the emotional response, not the 'left hand' calculator.

It would be an odd vehicle on which to raise a case to dispute the facts.

The Al Gore thing is silly - he's not a scientist, he's a politician who's aware that the average man won't get off their fat arse on the strength of a complex argument. If katie doesn't realise that, then either she's not very bright, or her joky persona's not very bright.

Besides which, if you believe the essence of climate change, and then recite a load of bollox cliches that reinforces the delusions of selfish fat twats, you'd have to be an idiot. Hold your counsel and we might get somewhere.

katie comments on her 4x4 on another thread, so either she likes to indulge herself, or her stereotype social villain is so ingrained that it's in danger of becoming her reality.

[Huguenot]

charliecharlie... erm what?

Because you don't like the ad climate change is no longer a problem? WTF?

Were you only involved in 10:10 because it was cute?

[katie1997]

SeanMacGabhann Wrote:

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> I read katies post as pro-science just against bad

> science.

Spot on Sean.

Huguenot I don't particularly care whether you think I'm stupid or even a considerably stupid prat. Or my 'jokey' persona.

Hold the front page, just spat out my coffee (all the way from south america) - are you telling me al gore is not a scientist? You could have given me some warning.

Now to quote dear old Terry Thomas esq,

must dash* ...

* I have some indulging to do.

[louisiana]

Pearson Wrote:

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> Climate change is bollocks.

> We certainly weren't around during the last ice

> age to be accused of that thank god.

Climate change bollox?

And I suppose there's peak oil bollox too?

We are in for a pretty bumpy ride all in all, and the head-in-the-sand position is unlikely to get you anywhere useful.

[katie1997]

Oh ... the Royal Society published a revised guide on the science of climate change this week.

Its worth a read if anyone is interested. I would attach a link but I'm way too dim (or maybe lazy) to work out how to do it from my phone.

[Huguenot]

Sure katie, fill yer boots. I'm glad I picked you right.

[PeckhamRose]

I think another of the main problems with the video (sorry to haul youback to topic with all your infighting) is that it is so terribly middleclass and black-white in its argument. Even the Gillian Anderson speech at the end is not very detailed.

The poor can't afford to make changes, or downsize from what little they have in the first place.

[Huguenot]

If people are so poor they're not pointlessly burning hydrocarbons then they're hardly the target of the ad.

The ad is specifically targeting smug self-righteous middle class social climbing wannabes for whom trashing the environment with 4x4s is a status symbol. The ad is attempting to undermine the social cachet of excessive consumption.

At the moment the desire for status means that these kind of people ridicule science, create ad hominen attacks on scientists, and claim there are no facts.

The irony is that this kind of behaviour all comes from insecurity and a craving for social acceptance. The more this gang squeals, the more pathetic they look.

The link for the royal society paper is here, one can either read it and become informed, or behave like a ninny and claim science is stupid, facts are for losers and that you know better than everybody else because it's a gut feel you have.

[DJKillaQueen]

The main problem with climate change data is that some of it conflicts. There are flaws in taking surface temperature data just as there are flaws in measuring the tropesphere and 'sceptics' seize on this.

But the Artic Circle and Antarctic are warming up (whatever the causes may be) - and carbon can be measured in ice going back thousands of years. It doesn't require much of a shift to upset the climatic balance for life cease to continue to be able to live.

And even if we take the view that there is no global warming going on.....the fact remains that global population is growing rapidly, and the waste we dump all over the globe as a result, combined with the resources we are stripping from it (resources that have taken millions of years to form) says we will reach an end point sooner or later, when the planet just can't take anymore. That's just common sense.

As a speices we are greedy, selfish and fill our lives and houses with meaningless sh1t. It's an appalling waste.

[PeckhamRose]

The Guardian Environment pages, and the comments on there.

[DJKillaQueen]

At the moment the desire for status means that these kind of people ridicule science, create ad hominen attacks on scientists, and claim there are no facts. The irony is that this kind of behaviour all comes from insecurity and a craving for social acceptance. The more this gang squeals, the more pathetic they look.

I agree with this. And I'd add they quantify their ridicule with their 'intelligence'.....as though a middle class education equates that. It's a perverse use of social standing to protect what they have and justify why 'they' don't ever need to give anything up.

[charliecharlie]

[quote=charliecharlie... erm what?

Because you don't like the ad climate change is no longer a problem? WTF?

Were you only involved in 10:10 because it was cute?

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don't be a silly billy Hugeknot!!! you know me better than that!!

and where oh where did I say

1.climate change is no longer a problem?

and

2. I was only involved in 10:10 because it was cute?

which side of bed did you get out of this morning

(or is is it yesterday morning where you are?)

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[Huguenot]

Sorry cc. :-$

[charliecharlie]

I should hope so too Huge Knot...

if I wasn't the jolly and saintly little soul I am, I might have been a bit hurt by your comments...

but of course... you are forgiven my son!!

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