A general thread to discuss Trump

[poch]

Can the UK government ignore those tweets? So explicitly racist. Surely someone's got to say something...

[JohnL]

JoeLeg Wrote:

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> I've long been convinced he's only a seat-warmer

> for Pence, who is decidedly unpleasant.

I sometimes wonder if Trump brought Pence in to make sure he wasn't impeached.

[JoeLeg]

Trump brought Pence in because as soon as he was seriously in the race he began to understand that he needed a solid Republican as VP in order to win - for all his talk of 'draining the swamp' he settled into it quite comfortably from very early on.

In return Pence gets the next shot at the Oval Office as soon as the GOP decides Trump has outstayed his welcome.

[JohnL]

JoeLeg Wrote:

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> Trump brought Pence in because as soon as he was

> seriously in the race he began to understand that

> he needed a solid Republican as VP in order to win

> - for all his talk of 'draining the swamp' he

> settled into it quite comfortably from very early

> on.

>

> In return Pence gets the next shot at the Oval

> Office as soon as the GOP decides Trump has

> outstayed his welcome.

To me he's more dangerous than Trump (that's a personal opinion) - Even Trump joked that Mike Pence's position on gay rights is to 'hang them all'.

http://www.theoccidentalweekly.com/opinions/2017/11/28/president-pence-end-lgbtq-rights/2890776

[Seabag]

It?s all hilarious

Oh actually, hilarious sounds like Hilary.

Very bad bad bad very!

[JohnL]

Trump now rebuking "@theresamay" with her 6 followers.

"Instead of tweeting to the Prime Minister, he sent his riposte to a Theresa May Scrivener, 41, who reportedly lives in a flat near the Bognor seafront."

It's like something from Brass Eye.

[JohnL]

The commons kicking off over Trump - it's like they're all looking for someone to blame.

"The urgent question triggered vitriolic criticism of a US President never before heard in the House of Commons.

Mr Trump was branded ?fascist? and ?stupid?, accused of spreading ?evil? and of being ?racist or incompetent or ignorant or all three? ? some of the strongest attacks coming from Conservatives."

They even suggested he should delete his account.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/amber-rudd-donald-trump-britain-first-twitter-islamophobic-us-relations-racist-video-a8084241.html

[SpringTime]

Ah yes - they are looking for someone to blame.

A couple of nasty examples of Islam at work and you're worse than Hitler.

Meanwhile we wait for the next terror attack, national mourning, rainbow colours, not in my name, wait for the next attack, etc.

[rendelharris]

SpringTime Wrote:

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> A couple of nasty examples of Islam at work and

> you're worse than Hitler.

I think the fact that at least one of them is demonstrably false (as confirmed by Netherlands police) has something to do with the outrage.

[SpringTime]

Fair point - although if they need any real clips there are millions of them of course! Trust Donald to pick a doughnut...

[snowy]

And the same could be said about many people and many different faiths, so what's your point?

Are you supporting British First's Penge Poundland fascist?

[JohnL]

SpringTime Wrote:

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> Ah yes - they are looking for someone to blame.

>

> A couple of nasty examples of Islam at work and

> you're worse than Hitler.

>

> Meanwhile we wait for the next terror attack,

> national mourning, rainbow colours, not in my

> name, wait for the next attack, etc.

For me it's not the images (I know what happens in some countries) - it's re tweeting an organisation like Britain First which IMHO is evil and obnoxious and it seems most MPs whether Tory, Labour or other agree with this.

Please don't support these people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain_First

[JohnL]

Theresa May should respond by making Britain First a proscribed organisation I think.

The last MP to call for this got death threats http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/louise-haighs-britain-first-terror-ban-call-leads-to-mp-receiving-death-threats_uk_585269a6e4b0b725bacf8904

[JoeLeg]

SpringTime Wrote:

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> Ah yes - they are looking for someone to blame.

>

> A couple of nasty examples of Islam at work and

> you're worse than Hitler.

>

> Meanwhile we wait for the next terror attack,

> national mourning, rainbow colours, not in my

> name, wait for the next attack, etc.

If all that Britain First were about truly was raising awareness of the dangers of Islamic Jihadist terror then fair enough.

But that's isn't their deal. They were born in the discredited ashes of the BNP and try to pass themselves off as moderate when they're anything but.

Seriously, after 9/11, 7/7, Madrid, endless years of A-Q, Daesh and rancid little murderers occasionally managing to evade MI5 and carry out whatever attacks they can, I don't think anyone in this land needs to be reminded of how bad these ultra-hardcore fools can be. We know. And I think we also know that they are far less effective than they used to be, having been reduced to using vans and knives, as opposed to guns, bombs and airliners. Are their some extremists in our midst? Of course there are. How many other Muslims are there, going about their daily business not bombing, stabbing or raping anyone?

For Britain First, Islam merely serves as a useful tool. Someone to blame. I have no love for any extremists and I don't shed a tear when a drone strike obliterates them; live by the sword, die by the sword. But BF are nationalists. First and foremost, nationalists look to blame the problems of their society on other people. First, the Muslims, but if they had their way they wouldn't stop there.

That's why video clips like that are so dangerous. No context, no clarity, no verification. In this age of social media it's easier than ever for them to spread lies and simply accuse those who oppose them of being appeasers and defeatists.

Now where have we heard that before? That's why they're dangerous.

[JohnL]

Anyway Theresa May now finds herself in the vanguard through no fault of her own, or as the Standard says at the end of it's opinion page

"Above all, the liberal world is willing Mrs May and Mr Johnson to punch back. Stick with the patient work of a year, or respond to the demands of the day?

Welcome to Trump?s world."

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-standard-comment-mrs-may-now-finds-it-hard-in-trump-world-a3706131.html

[SpringTime]

JoeLeg and JohnL I'm not a BF fan. Shan't be part of a nice Christian organisation like that!

[JohnL]

SpringTime Wrote:

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> JoeLeg and JohnL I'm not a BF fan. Shan't be part

> of a nice Christian organisation like that!

I wasn't criticising you personally Springtime - I don't like Britain First though :)

[SpringTime]

That's alright - they're far too left wing for me anyway ;-)

[malumbu]

I see from the Wiki entry it was set up by Jim Davidson. Doesn't surprise me as his humour always verged on racist. Funnily enough people I know of in deepest south east east east London/ North Kent find Davidson hilarious,

[Loz]

malumbu Wrote:

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> I see from the Wiki entry it was set up by Jim

> Davidson. Doesn't surprise me as his humour

> always verged on racist. Funnily enough people I

> know of in deepest south east east east London/

> North Kent find Davidson hilarious,

Jim Dowson.

[JohnL]

malumbu Wrote:

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> I see from the Wiki entry it was set up by Jim

> Davidson. Doesn't surprise me as his humour

> always verged on racist. Funnily enough people I

> know of in deepest south east east east London/

> North Kent find Davidson hilarious,

LOL What a B****d and I notice he's now calling himself "The Peoples Comedian"

http://www.jimdavidson.org.uk/

I'm Joking

[malumbu]

Nice one JohnL. Loz, really????

[JohnL]

Stool Pigeon and he's singing

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/michael-flynn-charged-mueller-russia-investigation-donald-trump-white-house-fbi-special-counsel-a8087186.html

[diable rouge]

Si John Redwood ?tait le POTUS...:)

[JohnL]

I agree Mr Trump - the Maybot it goes on and on and on and on

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/07/donald-trump-tired-theresa-mays-school-mistress-tone-may-turn/