A general thread to discuss Trump

[TheCat]

Sephiroth Wrote:

---

>

> Y?all are ignoring the warning signs.

Pretty hard to ignore when you've been banging on about it for 4 years.

War, terrorism, famine, pestilence. Got it.

I'll give you pestilence, but nothing to do with brexit unfort.

Anyway....this can continue on the brexit thread. We've hijacked the Trump thread enough.

[KidKruger]

Agreed.

KidKruger Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Hey, let?s do some ?A general thread to discuss

> Trump? on this thread !

[Sephiroth]

"No Sephiroth I?d like more information please about customs declarations if moving to NI. Do you have any references?"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55600466

[Sephiroth]

"War, terrorism, famine, pestilence. Got it. "

Your words, not mine. Although terrorism because of renewed conflict in NI would be foolish to rule out

Making everything a bit more shit (trade, cost, haulage, relations with EU) but not leading to anything catastrophic is not The Big Win you think it is. It just means everyone has had to deal with more shit

And it isn't something that people voted for, no matter what you say

[keano77]

Sephiroth Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> "No Sephiroth I?d like more information please

> about customs declarations if moving to NI. Do you

> have any references?"

>

> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-556

> 00466

Thank you. How ridiculous

[Sephiroth]

"Pretty hard to ignore when you've been banging on about it for 4 years. "

I have been banging on about it for 4 years - let's review what's happened

Trump won - lots of people said he was a fascist and were shouted down. Britain fell over itself to give him a state visit for a hoped-for trade deal that never happened. Trump continued to fash. Loads of brexiteers and this government(s) continued to say what a swell guy he was. And look where that ended up

Speaking of our governments - we've had 3 in the 4 years since then. 2 general elections. 3 leaders. soon to be 4. Doesnt seem like anyone wants the credit for this amazing feat of Brexit to me. Sounds like a shitshow in a f***factory to me

Global pandemic - all governments struggled to cope. Guess who struggled more than most and learnt nothing since it struck. In fact which government tried to deny it and wanted to ignore it at the beginning. Tick

Which amazing new future had to be postponed twice with extensions because the ramifications of not were too serious to contemplate. Yep, Brexit again. The gift that keeps giving

But now it's here!! at last. Yay. And instead of pointing to any great outcome we have people going "there isn't war famine or death" as some kind of gotcha. Whilst simultaneously ignoring or poo-poohing all the major businesses and haulage and trade experts pointing out the problems since Jan 1

But its' much easier to lock horns with me on a bulletin board than deal with reality isn't it?

Forgot to add - mirroring fascist Trump, the UK govt proroguing parliament, treating to break international law AFTER signing an agreement and now preventing scrutiny of the deal

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/westminster-news/jacob-rees-mogg-terminates-brexit-committee-6891278

These are all the actions of a totally sane government in no way trying to cover up the problems to come

[Sephiroth]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55600466

Just to check that BBC link works

What's the ridiculous bit keano?

[keano77]

Sephiroth Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-556

> 00466

>

> Just to check that BBC link works

>

> What's the ridiculous bit keano?

The idea that my Y-fronts would need to appear on a customs declaration because Northern Ireland is continuing to enforce EU customs rules at its ports.

Has the EU really not got anything better to do?

[Sephiroth]

Ah right. It?s the eu fault

When there wasn?t any barriers before there is now. Britain takes control of its borders but gets to tell other countries how to control theirs.

[Sephiroth]

Surely you knew this would happen. You knew what you were voting for

Etc

[keano77]

Sephiroth Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Ah right. It?s the eu fault..

A breakthrough after five years?

[KidKruger]

Hey, let?s do some ?A general thread to discuss Trump? on this thread !

[keano77]

Fair point KK.

How about

Nancy Pelosi is just as guilty as Trump for what happened on Capitol Hill

Discuss

[KidKruger]

That may well be true, I don?t know, perhaps you can elaborate or someone with more knowledge can contribute.

Anything is better than another EU thread (on a Trump thread).

[Seabag]

Who?s Trump anyway?

I can?t find him on Twitter, or anything!

[JohnL]

Allegedly they set up a gallows outside for Pence and Pelosi and were looking for them to hang.

A lot coming out now that was much worse than originally reported.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hang-mike-pence-chant-capitol-riot/

[JohnL]

Anyway CNN headline for this morning is "Trumps last days"

[KidKruger]

I do sometimes wonder if Trump has sold out to the Russians and/or the Chinese, he has hundreds of millions in debt and both of those places could afford to throw money at him if he promised to throw a spanner in the works of government in the USA, if he promised to cause instability, if he committed to creating civil and Governmental unrest.

I?m not a conspiracy theorist, but with Trump I genuinely don?t believe there is any limits to what he will do if there is the slightest chance that he can benefit.

The problem with Trump is that we are all proceeding on the basis that a president should look after his country and its people ? arguably a naive and institutionalised viewpoint when facing someone whose self-interest knows no bounds and whose respect for other people and institutions is less than zero. In fact it seems to be the basis for the way he operates, making the wildest decisions in the most negative way far in excess of anything seen before.

It?s like he relies on the norms to inform him of which abuses are possible.

[JohnL]

Oh dear - after Parler lost it's associates including those that were part of authenticated it's users, it's entire database has been exposed including deleted posts.

At the same time a huge No Fly list has been created by the FBI of anybody who attended the Capitol sedition.

https://cybernews.com/news/70tb-of-parler-users-messages-videos-and-posts-leaked-by-security-researchers/

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/parler-capitol-hill-personal-data-b1785343.html

[KidKruger]

Wow !!

I guess the protesters will claim "someone took my phone, but I found it once they returned to my hometown from the Capitol with it...".

Is a no fly list like a ban for individuals which is shared with the airport/aviation authorities ?

[JohnL]

I don't know if the no fly list is real but a lot of videos going around showing people being removed from planes or arrested at airports - but might be for other reasons.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2021/01/10/heres-how-to-keep-the-capitol-rioters-from-flying-back-to-dc-say-flight-attendants/?sh=40852f257eb5

The Parler list is real and huge is sure to end up with the authorities though.

[KidKruger]

thing is, its' great tracing all the rioters, but unless they get heavy sentences it's just a pretence. From what I've seen they've re being charged with trespass and other related things, as opposed to sedition (10yrs max), or conspiracy (20yrs max). These last two should be the charges, with max sentences for all - after all what's worst example of being unauthorised on Govt property ? Breaking into the Capitol, surely.

[Blah Blah]

Some will get more serious charges than others I would think. Just walking in through an open door is not the same as smashing it down. Only those at the front smashed it down, if you get my drift. The guy who took the speakers podium however, did then go and list it on Ebay. So I guess he can be charged with theft as well lol.

[KidKruger]

wow did he actually get the podium out of the building ?! what an arse ! And Ebay, so soon after - doh !

Yes I hope there are more serious charges, examples need to be made, inauguration in a week or so.

[keano77]

Whatever happened to

Alleged

Innocent until proven guilty etc

Or doesn?t that apply in our confused world anymore?