Jump to content

Recommended Posts

You have made lots of posts and hope you intend to do something as I remember don't you live on this road?


What a sarcastic post. I already attend a lot of meetings and do more than my fair share for local issues. I'm trying to be helpful. James alone will not be enough I'm afraid because whether you like it or not this juction is not one of the highest for accidents in the area. You can write all the letters you like, it won't change that fact.


Face to face action is the only way you will get anything done. Find some time, get a group of residents together, ask for it to be added to a CC meeting agenda and attend the next transport sub committee meeting.

Sacasam not intended. Serious issue yes.


I agree face to face action is needed. Well done and good luck with the meetings.


I have written a letter weather it does any good or not.


Anyone concerned about road safety should get involved.

When the previous collission occurred I asked the head of traffic officers at Southwark COuncil for an update on the last three years traffic stats with root causes. As it takes a little while for such incidents to work their way through to them when no one injured we agreed to meet up mid November when all the information would have been received by them.


Speed cameras - in London they're controlled via the London Speed Safety Camera partnership controlled by the Met Police and funded by Transport for London. Boris before the May elections halved their budget.

Junctions of East Dulwich Road and Peckham Rye and Nunhead Lane and Peckham Rye for a start. Grove Vale. Which is why those juctions are part of the coming round of schemes.


Have you ever been to a sub committee meeting Narnia? All the people that make these decisions on what road schemes are formed and done are there.

Boris before the May elections halved their budget.


Exactly James.


I can give a very good example of why attendance at meetings makes a difference.


Last week at the meeting there were two members of the public representing the residents of Friern Road. Friern Road has a problem at the moment with traffic for the school. Simon Philips claimed a survey had been done and there seemed to be no problem. It turned out the survey was done before the school opened and the two residents had video footage showing the type of problem, the damage to cars as a result and so on.


If those two hadn't come to that meeting, and been persistent, it would now not be on the agenda for a further investigation. There would no correspondance with the school to assess the impact of traffic and so on and it would probably would have taken for things to get a whole lot worse before Simon Philips would have accepted that the problem needed investigating.


Meetings demand immediate responses and often commit the council officials to some kind of follow up action. Letters and phonecalls don't.

Hi DJKillaQueen,

Which sub committee are you talking about?

I don't recognise a sub committee as taking all these decision for SOuthwark. The decisions for the strategy are taken by the Cabinet member. That person then approves the subsequent officer proposals. Community Councils can influence this and agree/disagree particular schemes.

Transport sub-committee meetings can influence decisions too. The point is that when people are face to face with those involved in the process of decision making - they get heard more than they would by letter. You know that to be true as well as I do.
So you two know how to play politics. When the first person is killed at THAT junction, who will you blame? I've already said it's safer to approach Barry Road from Silvester Road. Why not make it 'no entry', so people have to? How much can it cost to put up a frigging sign?

Hi Narnia,

I'm not sure being clear on the process for road changes is playing politics.


What I am clear on is that road improvents should be improved in order of how dangerous they are - they should not be processed in order of who shouts the loudest. In Southwark until 2002 that was the way they were improved. In 2002 it was changed to a statistical basis and road safety took a huge step forward.


This change dramatically reduced the opportunities for politicians to be popularist at the expense of road safety.


This particular road junction appears to be statistically standing out more OR lots of under reporting of collissions.

I've asked to meet officers to test that theory and will report back honestly what I find. This isn't politics it's doing the right decent thing.

James is absolutely right. Process is not playing politics. And what he says about data forming decisions, and not demands 'something should be done' in spite of data saying otherwise, is absolutely right and that is the process that is followed.


But lobbying can bring new data to the fore and it can challenge existing data as well. The example I gave of a survey being used to dispute claims by the Friern Road residents, turning out to be irrelevant because it was outdated, is something that would never have come to light if those residents hadn't challeged that data.

2+2=4....we know that. The problem with your method of resolving problems is to have a meeting about it............like in a couple of years. Then you'll decide the answer is 4. I wonder will that be the number of people killed because of that junction by then?

But there isn't any other way in system that has to be accountable for every thing it does and every penny it spends. It takes time to analyse, design, get approval and then execute.....and councils have far more to take care of than they have time and money to do so. So the planners have no option but to pick and choose. They chooose the junctions that have the most problems....it's as simple as that.


The junction of East Dulwich Road and Peckham Rye. There have been fatalities there. Road accidents will always happen and most of them will be down to driver error. No amount of redesign of anything will stop that.

Hi DJKillaQueen,

The Peckham Rye end of Friern Road - apparently some minor tweaks planned outside the Academy.


Barry Road/Underhill Road. Nearly have all the ingredients for a meeting between local Police and council officers with ward councillors on site to review what can be done.

James Barber Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

>Nearly have all the

> ingredients for a meeting

_______________________________________________________


Jeez...did you really write that! what further ingredient are you all waiting for???


Please don't wait, this comment will look really bad in retrospect if you do so :(

Hi Pearson,

Some of the crashes reported on EDF have not been reported to the Police and as a result don't reach council traffic officers. So trying to synch up non reported with reported crashes has been a problem.

Then lining up the relevant people hasn't been easy due to shifts patterns.

Minor prangs won't be reported to Police but can only be included in stats if there is a an official record of them somewhere that the council can access (a forum isn't that unfortunately). Out of interest james, how many reported accidents have there been?
James, I will be most interested in the outcome of your meeting mid-November. Is there anything that the rest of us non-commitee members can do to help? Petitions? Letters? I really am desperate to get something sorted for this junction. As previously mentioned I have to use this road daily (crossing over from Henslowe Rd end) and fear for the safety of my 2 babies and myself after the terrible incident that I was involved in 3 weeks ago. Please let me know.

James, who is not reporting these crashes? Like I said in an earlier post by far and away the majority of the crashes I see here have some sort of police involvement.


I even made a point to ask the officer who attended this crash if this would be considered a "reported" accident, which he said it would be.... So, what more can we do everytime crashes happen here in order to "report" them - especially when the police are in attendance.


There is something very wrong going on with this intersection, and the accident stats for this junction. It is just a matter of time before someone is killed here, and then it will be too late.


This is much like the farce of the gas works at the junction of Peckham Rye and East Dulwich road earlier this year, when after months of stalling getting the works fixed / completed it took the death of a young girl to finally get action here. Very poor indeed.


Dont let this happen again at this junction. I dont want to have to be the one to say "I told you so".

But what ARE the accident stats. Until James can tell us you don't know what they are. And also some of those accidents will be driver error that no amount of tweaking to the junction will prevent. Let's see the stats, and see what options if any might be possible.
Actually, driver error can be mitigated by good road design, exacerbated by bad design. So while 'tweaking' the junction will not necessarily avoid driver error, it may make that error less disasterous. When crash barriers were put into motorways, driver error still took drivers into them on occasion, but not, then, across the carriageway and into oncoming traffic. There have also been a number of posts about the effect of the traffic lights encouraging a false sense of security in drivers, perhaps precipitating driver error.

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Latest Discussions

    • Hi, my daughter has a basic electric keyboard she really should clear out of her old room. It's a classic beginners one. Are you interested?  If so, I'll photograph it and find the name.    Lottie 
    • I don’t think Reform will withstand the heat of any election.  Finding enough people to stand will be bad enough. Finding credible ones quite a bid tougher  I think yes this government is lacking in a long term plan and has not had a good first year. Today the least.   but the speed with which this was dealt with is a notable shift compared to last 14 years where months would drag by and we would constantly be told to draw a line under  if Labour called an election tomorrow, there is not a single party that could present a better alternative with any credibility. And that’s a low bar Reform are dangerous lunatics but more worrying is the descent of the Tories into the same swamp i also worry that England voters have contracted some melodrama virus after the Tories where we had 5 PMs in almost as many years  it’s ok for governments to be unpopular without needing to have an election every 1-2 years       Looks like Lucy Connolly will me one of those Reform candidates at next election tells you everything you need to know about that party and where the country would be headed 
    • Well, I made £50 out of it and Alice owes me another bullseye, so I had a good day Clearly the thread has moved on, but just a final few words on Rayner (from me, at least). If she hadn't gone like this (with a chance to revive her career at some point in the future) there's plenty of other stuff loaded up and ready to be fired at her about the motivation, finances and machinations of her move down South. It's not pretty reading. Tawdry doesn't come close. I was born in Ashton Hospital and grew up in Tameside, I've got a lot of friends and family who weren't as lucky as me and didn't make it out, some close to her constituency party, and there's been a lot of bad feeling around 'Our Ange' for a long time. My favourite quote was: 'She should fuck off back to Stockport.' And that was from a party member. The writing was on the wall for her. Moving from Ashton (majority c6.5k, large Pakistani minority, but predominantly white working class and targeted by both the Independent Alliance and Reform) to Hove (majority c20k, neither of these issues with the electorate) was a pretty cynical move, and she's fucked it royally. 'The Honourable Member for Hove and Portslade' will be sleeping a lot easier in their bed tonight. This thread was never supposed to about Labour bashing, and I'm not sure it is. It's definitely descended into 'Whataboutery', and that seems to be the problem, in my mind at least, with British politics. It's playground stuff, he said/she said, blame-game bollocks. Watch PMQs and ask yourself if you'd accept this sort of behaviour amongst toddlers, let alone in an elected parliament. One thing that does stand out is the opposition to Reform across the board, and yet we seem to be sleepwalking towards a likely scenario where Farage could head up a minority Reform government. I've 'followed' politics since the late Seventies - mainly because the BBC News came on right after 'Roobard and Custard' or 'The Magic Roundabout' - and I can't remember an era where both major parties are so bereft of leadership, direction or ideas. There's a certain irony that we'll all be getting a test text on Sunday to warn us of an impending 'National Emergency'. Seems quite prescient.
    • But not old enough to remember the highest unemployment rate, inflation and interest rates in history in the early eighties under the Tories? A rather selective memory you have. There has never been a four-day week: it was a three-day week imposed by the Conservative government under the Blasted Heath.
Home
Events
Sign In

Sign In



Or sign in with one of these services

Search
×
    Search In
×
×
  • Create New...