Bakerloo line extension - have your say for Peckham Rye

[Goldentoothpick]

If you haven't yet sent TFL your views on the extension, please do so asap.

The current plan extends from Elephant & Castle to > Old kent road (1) > Old kent road (2) > New Cross Gate > Lewisham

They seemed to have missed out Peckham Rye?! If you feel that we need the Bakerloo line extending down to Peckham Rye email TFL and let them know your views. We live in zone 2 but it can take nearly an hour to get to central london at rush hour. Surely Peckham Rye deserves the extension it desperately needs. Come on ED and Peckham fam let's make sure our voices are heard!

GT

[Siduhe]

There's a thread started by Renata Hamvas in the Lounge (assume because not directly an ED issue):

http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?20,1785079,1785079#msg-1785079

[Sweptwind]

People live in the Old Kent Road area who have less access to rail than those on the Peckham / Camberwell route. Why does Peckham Rye deserve it any more than another route to Lewisham?

If the Bakerloo line extension is going to take place at all, developer funding is going to be required. The Peckham route offers considerably less potential for funding - so it's got to be OKR I'm afraid.

Isn't it better that someone somewhere in south East London benefits from tube travel than absolutely nothing at all?

[nxjen]

TFL have already consulted on which route the extension should take and as a result of that the proposed route via Old Kent Road to Lewisham was chosen. The current consultation is regarding proposals for that route.

[rendelharris]

Goldentoothpick Wrote:

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> If you haven't yet sent TFL your views on the

> extension, please do so asap.

>

> The current plan extends from Elephant & Castle to

> > Old kent road (1) > Old kent road (2) > New

> Cross Gate > Lewisham

>

> They seemed to have missed out Peckham Rye?! If

> you feel that we need the Bakerloo line extending

> down to Peckham Rye email TFL and let them know

> your views. We live in zone 2 but it can take

> nearly an hour to get to central london at rush

> hour. Surely Peckham Rye deserves the extension it

> desperately needs. Come on ED and Peckham fam

> let's make sure our voices are heard!

>

> GT

Sorry but I really don't understand the oft-repeated claims that we're underserved in Peckham Rye - there are regular direct trains to Blackfriars, Victoria and London Bridge, all taking around ten minutes, not to mention having trains to Clapham Junction and Canary Wharf as well. Last time I looked those first three stations were in central London, how does it take you an hour to get there? The OKR is in far greater need of a rail link than we are - in fact I fail to see why we need an extra one at all.

[Jeremy]

You mean Canada Water, of course, Rendel.

I think the rail transport from PR is adequate (reliability and industrial action aside). But it seems to me that the Bakerloo extension should really connect to Queens Rd Peckham, instead of the "Old Kent Rd 2" station. That would provide really useful connectivity for the Overground and southern routes.

[JohnL]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> Sorry but I really don't understand the

> oft-repeated claims that we're underserved in

> Peckham Rye - there are regular direct trains to

> Blackfriars, Victoria and London Bridge, all

> taking around ten minutes, not to mention having

> trains to Clapham Junction and Canary Wharf as

> well. Last time I looked those first three

> stations were in central London, how does it take

> you an hour to get there? The OKR is in far

> greater need of a rail link than we are - in fact

> I fail to see why we need an extra one at all.

All we deserve is Thameslink and Southern ;)

What did we do to deserve that !!!

[JohnL]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> You mean Canada Water, of course, Rendel.

>

> I think the rail transport from PR is adequate

> (reliability and industrial action aside). But it

> seems to me that the Bakerloo extension should

> really connect to Queens Rd Peckham, instead of

> the "Old Kent Rd 2" station. That would provide

> really useful connectivity for the Overground and

> southern routes.

When they build the pedestrian bridge from Canada Water

to Canary Wharf it'll be the same :)

The issue I have is we're building more flats and Thameslink

and Southern can't provide enough trains - I'd move both to

Overground under TFL.

[rendelharris]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> You mean Canada Water, of course, Rendel.

Sorry, yes that.

[rendelharris]

JohnL Wrote:

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> All we deserve is Thameslink and Southern ;)

>

> What did we do to deserve that !!!

Well yes - we need a better rail service, not more of it!

[Jeremy]

JohnL Wrote:

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> When they build the pedestrian bridge from Canada

> Water to Canary Wharf it'll be the same :)

That's going to be pretty much a half hour walk!

[Earl Aelfheah]

Sweptwind Wrote:

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> If the Bakerloo line extension is going to take

> place at all, developer funding is going to be

> required. The Peckham route offers considerably

> less potential for funding - so it's got to be OKR

> I'm afraid.

'Developer funding'? It's largely taxpayer funded and maintained. The development is made massively more profitable by a taxpayer subsidy to said developers. It is the taxpayer funding the development not the other way round. There are considerably more long term taxpayers in the densely populated, established communities of Camberwell and Peckham than the brown field sits on the OKR. So one could argue that the Peckham route offers considerably more funding... You just have to remember that 'government money' is actually our money.

[????]

Bloody hell rah - I didn't have you down as self interest motivated Tory, but when push comes to shove, well I never

[Earl Aelfheah]

I think a large amount of the public money invested in an extension to OKR will effectively get hovered up by developers and 'investors'. It annoys me when people say that developers are paying - like it's some kind of charitable act.

[JohnL]

Well - I hear 30% social housing - wonder if that will be delivered. :)

[Earl Aelfheah]

If it is, I'll eat my hat 🎩

[JohnL]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> If it is, I'll eat my hat 🎩

Paddy Ashdown had to eat his (although he didn't)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32647981.

[titch juicy]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> Goldentoothpick Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > If you haven't yet sent TFL your views on the

> > extension, please do so asap.

> >

> > The current plan extends from Elephant & Castle

> to

> > > Old kent road (1) > Old kent road (2) > New

> > Cross Gate > Lewisham

> >

> > They seemed to have missed out Peckham Rye?! If

> > you feel that we need the Bakerloo line

> extending

> > down to Peckham Rye email TFL and let them know

> > your views. We live in zone 2 but it can take

> > nearly an hour to get to central london at rush

> > hour. Surely Peckham Rye deserves the extension

> it

> > desperately needs. Come on ED and Peckham fam

> > let's make sure our voices are heard!

> >

> > GT

>

> Sorry but I really don't understand the

> oft-repeated claims that we're underserved in

> Peckham Rye - there are regular direct trains to

> Blackfriars, Victoria and London Bridge, all

> taking around ten minutes, not to mention having

> trains to Clapham Junction and Canary Wharf as

> well. Last time I looked those first three

> stations were in central London, how does it take

> you an hour to get there? The OKR is in far

> greater need of a rail link than we are - in fact

> I fail to see why we need an extra one at all.

Not to mention very regular and reliable buses to pretty much everywhere. There are now three directly into the heart of the City. 78 from nunhead/peckham rye and the 40 and 42 from ED.

The 12 and 176 into the heart of the West End.

The 185 to Victoria.

And anyway, a report today shows that tube commuting exposes you to 8x the amount of pollution compared to driving (and I assume riding on a bus too).

[Earl Aelfheah]

its for exactly that eventuality that I always wear a chocolate hat

[TheArtfulDogger]

Sadly I still think the biggest crime against transport in the area was cancelling the cross river tram running from Peckham to the elephant, Holborn and so on.

A clean reliable form of transport that could have been extended on to crystal palace or linked up to the Croydon tram system at a fraction of the proposed cost of the bakerloo extension .

[Nigello]

I agree that on paper the bus service is great but in practice it's another thing entirely.

Don't even think of spending less than an hour from Barry Road to Oxford Circus at most times of the day from 0700 to 2300. That works for the 176 too. The 185 can sometimes surprise but not often.

I also agree that the tram over the Thames from Peckham to Camden ought to have been allowed to continue, but it wasn't to be. Even if it terminated at Aldwych/Temple/Holborn it would have been great.

Again, a guided bus system (yes, my old hobbyhorse) would be great but it's never been a winner with city planners and councillors and marketeers because they're seen as "trams on the cheap".

If you can, walk. It'll help your physical and mental health because it's better than sitting in a packed 176 with the usual morons who CBA to move down/go up to the top deck!

[Jeremy]

The bus is a completely unsuitable method for commuting from SE London into the centre. The time it takes is completely disproportionate to the distance travelled. And 1hr (or more) of stop/start traffic (often with a heavy-footed driver) leaves me feeling very travel-sick. I guess they can be useful for local journeys of 2-3 miles though.

[????]

Can anyone really give a non-self interested reason why we need it more than the OKR? I can't see one, however people try and pretend there is one. Just self-interest, sorry.

[Earl Aelfheah]

The relative population sizes is one massive and obvious one

[Earl Aelfheah]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> The bus is a completely unsuitable method for

> commuting from SE London into the centre. The time

> it takes is completely disproportionate to the

> distance travelled. And 1hr (or more) of

> stop/start traffic (often with a heavy-footed

> driver) leaves me feeling very travel-sick. I

> guess they can be useful for local journeys of 2-3

> miles though.

^this