PC Keith Palmer RIP - and the other as yet unnamed victims

[Mick Mac]

To all the victims of todays attack. RIP.

[????]

mmmm...you've gone from praising terrorists yesterday to remembering their victims today - a bit hypocritical in my view.

[Alan Medic]

Not in mine. You appear to see everything as being either black or white Quids. The real question is, is violence ever justified to achieve a goal? Without it there would be no Republic of Ireland now, for example. Depending on the circumstances I would say it probably is. The killing of civilians is another matter.

To be sorry for victims of a crime is to be human. To praise someone who ultimately helped bring about 'peace' of a sort is not being hypocritical. How many more lives would have been lost by now if MMcG didn't choose to assist in the peace process?

[steveo]

By his hand

[Mick Mac]

I extend that to all innocent victims of terrorism

As for the personal insults this is not the place and not the intention of this thread - I'll respond on another thread

[red devil]

Were the police murdered by terrorists during The Troubles 'innocent victims'?...

[Jules-and-Boo]

Innocent lives stolen. Heartbreaking.

[Loz]

In the spirit of taking something positive out of this, a thank you to the police and emergency services. Truly awesome people.

And a hat tip to that Tory MP. I would like to hope that, in the same situation, I'd react in the same way but who knows until it actually happens.

[Jules-and-Boo]

yes - Top Bloke. Very much more respected than the MP who tweeted "hiding in my PAs office"

[Louisa]

As above. Our police and paramedics do a great job and a big thankyou to them for working tirelessly to keep us all safe. Also the MP who went above the call of duty to help that brave officer.

Louisa.

[BrandNewGuy]

Jules-and-Boo Wrote:

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> yes - Top Bloke. Very much more respected than the

> MP who tweeted "hiding in my PAs office"

That's not necessarily fair. Those in Parliament were given instructions by the police and security forces ? I know, as I had a friend there. Similarly, I thought it was cheap point-scoring for some to point out (on social meeja, natch) that the PM was whisked away as if this showed some sort of cowardice rather than it being a crucial security matter for the head of government to be protected from danger.

[Earl Aelfheah]

BrandNewGuy Wrote:

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> Jules-and-Boo Wrote:

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> > yes - Top Bloke. Very much more respected than

> the

> > MP who tweeted "hiding in my PAs office"

>

> That's not necessarily fair. Those in Parliament

> were given instructions by the police and security

> forces ? I know, as I had a friend there.

> Similarly, I thought it was cheap point-scoring

> for some to point out (on social meeja, natch)

> that the PM was whisked away as if this showed

> some sort of cowardice rather than it being a

> crucial security matter for the head of government

> to be protected from danger.

Yeah, MPs inside the Palace of Westminster wouldn't have been helping anyone if they'd all started running outside in a misguided attempt to be heroic

[Jules-and-Boo]

No but his tweet was inappropriate and not professional or respectful.

[Mick Mac]

Keith Palmer was a Charlton fan and will be honoured at this weekends game.

[Alan Medic]

red devil Wrote:

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> Were the police murdered by terrorists during The

> Troubles 'innocent victims'?...

If they were innocent then what else could they be? What do you think?

[Mystic Mog]

Very moving and personal tribute from James Cleverly MP. Thinking of all the innocent victims and their loved ones.

[jaywalker]

"Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved with mankind" (Donne)

[red devil]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> red devil Wrote:

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> > Were the police murdered by terrorists during

> The

> > Troubles 'innocent victims'?...

>

> If they were innocent then what else could they

> be? What do you think?

The question was asked in relation to MM's comment I extend that to all innocent victims of terrorism.

Along with the British Army, British politicians, the Royal family etc, the IRA saw the police as legitimate targets, so I wanted to know if he felt that a policemen murdered by Republican terrorists during The Troubles should be classed as an innocent victim or not...

[Mick Mac]

We know what you meant RD, no need to spell out the obvious message. This thread is not about Ireland.

[red devil]

I'll wait for your response in the McGuiness thread then Mick....

[Sue]

jaywalker Wrote:

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> "Any man's death diminishes me, because I am

> involved with mankind" (Donne)

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