8 June

[Earl Aelfheah]

red devil Wrote:

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> Where's the cost of Brexit in that list? Labour

> aren't reversing it so the ?60bn that's been

> quoted by Hammond needs to be accounted for

> somehow...

The Conservatives figures were much more thorough. Except of course they didn't have any.

[Earl Aelfheah]

this Tories government have caused us to crash out of Europe and with a mother term will no doubt oversee the break up of the UK. History will judge how 'strong and stable' they've been for the country. Our kids are going to be poorer and have fewer opportunities than we did.

[red devil]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> The Conservatives figures were much more thorough.

> Except of course they didn't have any.

They don't need any. Remember, there's the magic bullet of ?350m a week for the NHS when we leave the EU...loadsamoney!*

*I'm being ironic. Very ironic

[miga]

Shhhhhhhh!!

Strong and stable, strong and stable. It'll all be fine.

[Green Goose]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> this Tories government have caused us to crash out

> of Europe and with a mother term will no doubt

> oversee the break up of the UK. History will judge

> how 'strong and stable' they've been for the

> country. Our kids are going to be poorer and have

> fewer opportunities than we did.

If you are going to go totally tribal and blame the Tories for Brexit, then you should give the facts a bit more thought.

Brexit was a majority decision taken via a national referendum. Blame the referendum on UKIP. One major factor in the result was the "grey vote" ie older people who remember the UK signing up to the Common Market. This morphed into the European Union with the promise of " ever closer union".

It was the prospect of that "ever closer union" concept (driven by France and Germany) that frightened these voters -quite understandable, given the failure of monetary union.

[rendelharris]

Green Goose Wrote:

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>

> Brexit was a majority decision taken via a

> national referendum. Blame the referendum on

> UKIP.

Yeah, I remember that UKIP government who decided to have a referendum on Europe...hang on, no I don't.

[malumbu]

Struth. We are one of the three big players in Europe and can be seen to dampen down the power of the Germans. In my particular area we dressed up some good areas of EU policy as our own, almost as if we were embarassed to say good things about the Union.

"It was the prospect of that "ever closer union" concept (driven by France and Germany) that frightened these voters -quite understandable, given the failure of monetary union."

Maybe the view of some of the informed voters, and similarly that the EU was an evil institution that supported the mill owners and bankers that did not benefit the masses (I assume Corbyn's core beliefts).

But for many (if not the masses) - misinformation, immigration, loathing the metropolitan elite, lack of perceived benefits from gloablisation

[jaywalker]

One just hopes that the demographic concerned has read May's (not the Tories') manifesto. The rabid press was in full retreat today (apart from the Express that seemed to be covering some sort of social occasion presumably as a displacement). Even the Sunday Times (perhaps the most insidious of all the right wing papers as it makes an infantile claim to serious reporting) seemed riven. The first poll since the May stupidity has halved the projected lead (and reduced their expected majority by 100). And that was before that demographic got their Mail on Sunday this morning - quite a shock, I fear, and all credit to that paper.

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

jaywalker Wrote:

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> An

> uneducated public who mirror a 'she's just like

> me' misrecognition. Not really much different from

> what secures Erdogan, Putin, or other reactionary

> types.

Your judgment on British, Russia and Turkish politics is very poor.

[jaywalker]

That is just mooing. Do you have an argument or do you just want to moo?

For example, you might say: British voters are not captured by their imaginary mirror identifications with the 'strong and stable' leader at all. They are so well educated that they recognise this trap (to which we are, after all, all prey from time to time). They are not at all in need of containment strategies that limit their fear of economic and social flux. They are not at all insular or inclined to reactionary politics: just coolly rational and well-informed, aware of the centuries of European thought (and culture) that bring value to our lives. When they read the popular press they do so ironically. When they vote they do so with a grain of salt. Their command of detail of which party is standing for which policy is strong: and they do not vote for personalities, only for policies.

[robbin]

Jaywalker, taking condescension and pretentiousness to new levels in 2017.

[Earl Aelfheah]

May's just u-turned on social care.

[Earl Aelfheah]

...with shrieks of 'fake news' directed at Corbyn.

[JohnL]

She's rattled badly

Anyway - Strong and Stable, My A*** signs everywhere today

https://www.indy100.com/article/general-election-2017-theresa-may-strong-stable-my-arse-signs-up-across-london-7747081

[red devil]

The EU's negotiators will be loving May's flip flopping. Weak and Wobbly..:)

[red devil]

While we're at it, someone needs to tell her to quit with the jazz hands...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/PortalPictures/May-2017/mayspeech1-medium.jpg

[jaywalker]

The battle is on for what pops up when you put 'dementia tax' into google :-). Think they are minting ad revenue from the two parties.

Nice one Red Devil. The Tories will ditch May as soon as they can I suspect: she is not up to it, not even close. The perils of announcing a manifesto the contents of which you have not consulted with even the most senior members of your cabinet. And another uncosted policy because the size of the new cap reinstatement climbdown is 'subject to consultation' - watch for headlines giving a figure after more pressure to come.

Perhaps she will abolish university tuition fees tomorrow?

Perhaps take students out of the immigration target the day after?

Certainly the reinstatement of free school meals by the weekend (how did she arrive at THAT one!?)

[JohnL]

red devil Wrote:

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> While we're at it, someone needs to tell her to

> quit with the jazz hands...

>

> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/PortalPictu

> res/May-2017/mayspeech1-medium.jpg

Maybe she needs an Orb like Trump and his friends.

http://www.hail-hydra.com

[JohnL]

http://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-writhes-in-the-spotlight-of-sharp-questions-over-u-turn-10888901

[ruffers]

THERESA MAY:

"Remain. No. Wait. Leave."

"No election. No. Wait. Election."

"Care costs. No. Wait. Costs cap."

"Strong and stable. No. Wait."

Credit -

[red devil]

Don't forget to add the Budget Self-employed NI U-turn. What's amazing with all this is how they went ahead with them in the first place. It's as if she doesn't understand her core support.

Theresa Maybe is also managing to do something unthinkable...making Corbybabes look statesmanlike and competent :)

[jaywalker]

Thanks for pointing to these JohnL (and also greatly enjoyed by those I've retweeted them to).

Manifesto of Chaos

Strong and stable my ars* (lmao on those posters)

These will stick, but probably only in the enlightened cosmopolis.

[JoeLeg]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> Green Goose Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

>

> >

> > Brexit was a majority decision taken via a

> > national referendum. Blame the referendum on

> > UKIP.

>

> Yeah, I remember that UKIP government who decided

> to have a referendum on Europe...hang on, no I

> don't.

Well, both him and Villager voted for UKIP, so want I think he means is "blame me".

[Earl Aelfheah]

ruffers Wrote:

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> THERESA MAY:

> "Remain. No. Wait. Leave."

> "No election. No. Wait. Election."

> "Care costs. No. Wait. Costs cap."

> "Strong and stable. No. Wait."

>

> Credit -

Theresa May's 9 U-Turns https://www.ft.com/content/e021c208-3ede-11e7-9d56-25f963e998b2

[red devil]

rah, you keep posting links to the FT, no use to non-subscribers...bloody capitalists!