8 June

[DulwichFox]

Seabag Wrote:

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> Thanks. 8:00pm on C4 should be interesting.

It's 8.30pm

Fox

[Seabag]

???? Wrote:

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> Yeah - 2 incompetent twats lying through their

> teeth can't wait

Yeah - it's (this election) all very much fitting my analogy constant of

'Do you want to be stabbed or shot in the face?'

[robbin]

jaywalker Wrote:

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> Tory lead has halved again now to only 5% in the

> poll in the Times today - they are projected now

> to lose seats: poll suggests a majority of only 2.

> Pound is falling sharply.

Every time there's any increased likelihood of JC and his ex Diane getting into power, the pound falls sharply. Hardly news and hardly any surprise now is it?!

[JohnL]

robbin Wrote:

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> jaywalker Wrote:

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> -----

> > Tory lead has halved again now to only 5% in

> the

> > poll in the Times today - they are projected

> now

> > to lose seats: poll suggests a majority of only

> 2.

> > Pound is falling sharply.

>

> Every time there's any increased likelihood of JC

> and his ex Diane getting into power, the pound

> falls sharply. Hardly news and hardly any

> surprise now is it?!

That's because of more uncertainty/hung parliament

The markets wanted a soft brexit and hoped a large majority would see to that.

[JohnL]

Politics is just about who can make the most brazen lie it seems..

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/robert-peston-bangs-head-on-desk-with-frustration-after-sir-michael-fallon-interview-a3551121.html

[robbin]

JohnL Wrote:

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> > > > Pound is falling sharply.

> >

> > Every time there's any increased likelihood of

> JC

> > and his ex Diane getting into power, the pound

> > falls sharply. Hardly news and hardly any

> > surprise now is it?!

>

> That's because of more uncertainty/hung

> parliament

>

> The markets wanted a soft brexit and hoped a large

> majority would see to that.

Really? C'mon - let's be serious for a moment!

[DulwichFox]

If only there was a choice that really made any difference.

Fox

[Jules-and-Boo]

well. unfortunately, it's a negative vote - ie strategic voting against who you most don't want to win.

Personally, I;d like the green party to have more seats but in terms of the main parties, that vote would be lost and better used. Which is really pants.

[jaywalker]

Jules-and-Boo Wrote:

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> well. unfortunately, it's a negative vote - ie

> strategic voting against who you most don't want

> to win.

>

> Personally, I;d like the green party to have more

> seats but in terms of the main parties, that vote

> would be lost and better used. Which is really

> pants.

Yes, this is a particularly worrying election because the usual imaginary veneer of 'making the right choice' has well and truly been erased by the crushing realisation that 'there is no good choice to make'.

The best outcome in this circumstance would be a hung parliament. May would have to resign immediately. The new centre-left would be large enough to form a new party with centre-right Tories (Clarke as PM probably given that the Lib Dems seem to be about to be annihilated). The Brexiteers can then be sent back to the periphery of politics where they belong. Let's hope there is enough tactical voting to secure this.

[robbin]

"The Brexiteers can then be sent back to the periphery of politics where they belong."

Ah, the pompous metropolitan bubble's sneering approach to the majority of the people that voted in the referendum comes out again. No wonder people outside London think we are w*****rs. It was 52% of the population that voted to leave, you numpty. I imagine they don't think they belong "on the periphery of politics" as you so confidently and condescendingly say.

I didn't vote to leave, but I must confess that I find your sort of pompous sneering intolerable and embarrassing.

[DulwichFox]

Firsts man. Heads or Tails

Second man. Heads.

First man. Sorry, It's Tails.

Second man. oh Dear. Best out of three.

Fox.

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

robbin Wrote:

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> "The Brexiteers can then be sent back to the

> periphery of politics where they belong."

>

> Ah, the pompous metropolitan bubble's sneering...It

> was 52% of the population that voted to leave, you

> numpty.

I dunno how you get to the conclusion there's a metropolitan remain bubble when 48% of the UK voted remain and 40% of London voted leave.

(You numpty).

[robbin]

Seriously - you 'dunno'? Then I suggest you go and read a bit. A huge number of commentators have suggested the Brexit leave vote was to some extent a reaction to the sneering of the metropolitan liberal elite living in their bubble. I'm amazed you have not seen that anywhere. Oh, by the way, quoting that particular statistic about London, completely misses the point that not everyone in London is part of the (sneering) liberal elite. It is therefore a very bad point.

[Jules-and-Boo]

I love the arrogance that prevails - if they don't agree with then they're wrong

[Otta]

Louisa Wrote:

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> Anyone who works for the police could have told

> you she was a train crash long before she became

> prime minister. The Fact she will still wipe the

> floor with Labour at this election is surely

> enough to tell even the most enthusiastic Corbyn

> supporter that their direction of travel is the

> wrong way. You would hope.

>

> Louisa.

Agree completely with this.

Corbyn is actually having a good go at this, but he still has no chance. People are getting excited about the pools, but the vast majority of people barely think about politics, and they have swallowed the strong and stable bullshit and that Corbyn is a disaster, and they will vote as such because of brexit.

It's all just a bit shit.

[jaywalker]

Has Paxman lost it? His hectoring style is a bit over the top with Corbyn - who seems to be having a very good night.

[cella]

Jeremy Corbyn is doing an excellent job so far but Paxman is totally over the top and bordering on the offensive. Twill be interesting to see if he adopts the same tone when interviewing Teresa May. Think Paxman has passed his sell by date.

[malumbu]

He has been a bit of knob (JP), but there again that it why he is there.

I was actually more struck by the ad for on-line bingo after Corbyn. What have we become?

I may have a slight adiction to social media, but I am not losing my shirt. That would be a good question, not would you get rid of the monarchy? (where I am with Corbyn, agreeing that this is a low priority) but what would you do to control on-line betting? Oh and payday loans? Oh and cheap alcohol? I'm on a roll.

[malumbu]

Mrs May, why did you try to stop the government publishng it's air quality plan?, and why do you need to intervene in/clear virtually every other important decision since you came into power? Why does everything that your government do have to be seen to be popular? Why are you bally hedging your bets in your answers??? (and I very much expect that I wont, and cannot, vote for the three main parties (and UKIP and the Greens)).

[Jules-and-Boo]

Is Paxman with May the same man that interviewed JC?

The body language, the lack of interruption.....

I think he was swapped.

[cella]

On balance think Paxman adopted the same hectoring tone with TM and to me it just reinforced how autocratic her manner is. She looks visibly shaken when confronted with things like changing her mind on important policy announcements and her querulous voice doesn't help. No one pressed her on unnecessarily revisiting fox hunting and the ?350m to the NHS was given a very gentle ride I felt. Think the show wrongly billed Paxman as one of the stars and he feels he has to live up to his (outdated) image. For me, Corbyn came out of it the winner.

[JohnL]

Corbyn win

Whether that will translate to votes I don't know

Best line "A blowhard who collapses at the first sound of gunfire" cruel

[sjsl]

Agree Paxman was really annoying, but equally to both... Corbyn did a fairly good job, May was a bit wobbly methinks, but then she was arguably in a more difficult position as the sitting governmant. Her main (only?) line is trying to make people fear Corbyn mishandling the Brexit negotiations, she brought these up at every point where she was challenged by questions she didn't have an answer for.

[TE44]

He (JP) was like an infant defiantly not letting

go of something to th point it had lost its meaning. Weird .

I'm surprised nothing was mentioned about how our government acted unlawfully at dealing with detained fast tracking of asylum seekers. Both parties should have had the decency to put accross there position and the reality of the damage that was possibly done.

https://www.freemovement.org.uk/rules-under-which-over-10000-fast-track-asylum-appeals-decided-declared-unlawful/

[jaywalker]

Yes, I wanted to see Faisal in that interviewer's chair - he would have done a much better job. Apart from the rather conspicuously minority Brexit camp, the audience's reaction to May was very telling. Not often you hear people laughing at a Prime Minister.