8 June

[Borky]

You know this will end in tears

[JohnL]

Anyway one of my favorite comments of the BBC debate

Paul Nuttall: I'm not paying the EU any divorce settlements - we've paid the EU enough as members.

Leanne Wood: Would you treat your wife like that Paul.

[Borky]

Wood was very weak last night.

Rudd was off her face and out of her depth

Farron needsto be chained to a radiator for several years with terry waites

Nuttall is clearly looking forward to the new Reich

Corbyn is obviously planning his retirement

The Scotch were full of Buckfast and spoiling for a fight at the carry oot afterwards

Greens: meh

[JohnL]

George Osborne still trolling Theresa May tweeting (about a London poll)

"1st edition @EveningStandard has our shock @YouGov London poll with Corbyn now ahead of May as 'best PM'"

https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/870236254377562112/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fpolitics%2Flive%2F2017%2Fjun%2F01%2Fgeneral-election-2017-may-absence-leaders-debate-brexit-politics-live

[Jules-and-Boo]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Anyway one of my favorite comments of the BBC

> debate

>

> Paul Nuttall: I'm not paying the EU any divorce

> settlements - we've paid the EU enough as

> members.

> Leanne Wood: Would you treat your wife like that

> Paul.

Classic.

They should do a compilation of the best (worst) bits of the Campaign, just like they do best bits of the Olympics.

What music to set it to, though?

[red devil]

How about The Who's Won't Get Fooled Again?...

[Borky]

I see frage has been fingered as part of the Trump/Russia investigation.....

[Jules-and-Boo]

not charged though... just maybe has information

[Borky]

Did you seethe DW / Speigel interview of a few weeks back ? cant remember which . will dig it out. lots of grey areas

[Borky]

http://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2017-05/nigel-farage-brexit-ukip-russia-contacts

Ziet

[robbin]

I hoped I would never, ever, have to read a post containing the words "fingered" and "Farage" in the same sentence.

[JohnL]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/31/the-hand-is-left-to-do-the-heavy-lifting-while-maybot-reboots

?Have you not read my manifesto?? the Handbot announced imperiously. It sounded very much as if a palace coup had just been declared."

[red devil]

red devil Wrote:

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> I would've thought 'no deal' was as bad as it

> gets, so I'd like to know what this 'bad deal' I

> keep hearing is likely to mean. In what way will

> it be worse than 'no deal', anyone know?...

About time someone addressed this meaningless Tory soundbite...

Jeremy Corbyn says there is "no such thing as no deal" when Britain leaves the EU.

"Theresa May says no deal is better than a bad deal - let's be clear, no deal is in fact a bad deal. It's the worst of all deals," he said, adding that it would leave Britain having World Trade Organisation tariffs and restrictions, instead of the access to European markets that it needs.

"Theresa May's approach risks a jobs meltdown across Britain," he says.

By contrast, he said, Labour would negotiate a tariff-free deal that benefits both sides

[titch juicy]

Re- brexit. I like the potential Labour negotiating team of Starmer, Thorberry and Gardiner. Gardiner particularly has been impressive in recent weeks.

But, has Corbyn made a big balls up today insisting that he won't do deals, coalitions, agreements with any other parties? Does he really think he's going to win a majority with 7 days left.

There's just the merest glimmer of hope for a hung parliament and surely his comments are ill-advised in that case?

Someone please correct me if i'm missing something.

Edit: I've been corrected. he was talking about now, not post-election.

[red devil]

With Labour chasing down the Tories lead, he was right to say that, it's now all about perceived momentum (no pun intended), win your own votes first and worry about the others later. He could always do a u-turn in the 'national interest', it's not like he could be called out by the Tories for doing so...

[JohnL]

titch juicy Wrote:

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> Re- brexit. I like the potential Labour

> negotiating team of Starmer, Thorberry and

> Gardiner. Gardiner particularly has been

> impressive in recent weeks.

>

> But, has Corbyn made a big balls up today

> insisting that he won't do deals, coalitions,

> agreements with any other parties? Does he really

> think he's going to win a majority with 7 days

> left.

>

> There's just the merest glimmer of hope for a hung

> parliament and surely his comments are ill-advised

> in that case?

>

> Someone please correct me if i'm missing

> something.

>

> Edit: I've been corrected. he was talking about

> now, not post-election.

Thornberry today said he'd make a queens speech and let the

other parties decide whether to support it. Corbyn seemed

to agree,

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/labour-would-try-govern-britain-13124551

Edit: What if Tories are largest and vote of no confidence is passed

though - not mentioned :)

[JohnL]

titch juicy Wrote:

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> Re- brexit. I like the potential Labour

> negotiating team of Starmer, Thorberry and

> Gardiner. Gardiner particularly has been

> impressive in recent weeks.

>

That's his top team really.

Starmer has been intelligent in his roll against Davis

Gardiner has been excellent sniping this campaign

[Borky]

The result will not be as close as the Corbyn supporters will be hoping for I think. We are an awful snivelling nations of pearl clutching adventure free cowards and recidivist selfish dung beetles- I think they will retain with a narrow majority.

[red devil]

Sorry, can't do Woman's Hour tomorrow, I'm washing my hair...#runningscared

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article8403313.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Theresa-May.jpg

[Jeremy]

Theresa May has been awful... just awful. Meaningless soundbites. Nauseating nationalist jargon. No acknowledgement of where/how things are going wrong in this country.

I must admit I'm starting to admire Corbyn. He's ran a good campaign, and at least he's put together a bold manifesto that actually offers some kind of vision. He's got a lot better in front of the camera, he's gained confidence and authority, and when he talks he offers substance.

But I can't agree with the mass nationalisation programme, and the manifesto "costings" seem like finger-in-the-air stuff. Still leaning towards the homophobic god botherer.

[Windrush]

Just proves politicians will do anything to get into power. It's the same in the US, Australia etc etc etc.

They all want to get on the gravy train and some are meglomaniacs

You can't trust any of them.

[jaywalker]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> Theresa May has been awful... just awful.

> Meaningless soundbites. Nauseating nationalist

> jargon. No acknowledgement of where/how things are

> going wrong in this country.

>

> I must admit I'm starting to admire Corbyn. He's

> ran a good campaign, and at least he's put

> together a bold manifesto that actually offers

> some kind of vision. He's got a lot better in

> front of the camera, he's gained confidence and

> authority, and when he talks he offers substance.

>

> But I can't agree with the mass nationalisation

> programme, and the manifesto "costings" seem like

> finger-in-the-air stuff. Still leaning towards the

> homophobic god botherer.

But computer technology has changed (the illusion that services ran better because of privatisation - Moore's Law was the confounding variable). So many nationalised railways now run to very good time and service. This argument extends to other natural monopolies (including water and Broadband provision).

[jaywalker]

Emma Thornberry was very effective on Newsnight last night. She is certainly in command of her brief and has a good rapport with the audience. Not seen her before. With Starmer and Gardiner she would make a strong team.

However, the main point is that if there is no overall majority then there will be tectonic plate movements in politics. Neither May nor Corbyn will be involved in the new continents.

[Parkdrive]

General election, time to kid ourselves we actually have a choice.

[Jeremy]

jaywalker... I'm a bit on the fence about railway renationalisation... I'm sure many public railways work very well indeed. Several private ones do too. I wouldn't necessarily advocate privatisation in the first place (as you say, natural monopoly), but I think there are other ways of addressing the problems.

Similar with utilities... I've no ideological problem with private ownership but there are serious issues with the way the industry has been set up and regulated.

And it all seems like it's going to be very, very expensive. Especially with utilities, I think John McDonnell was suggesting they'd buy the shares up...