8 June

[Lordship 516]

@ red devil

May will already have been in negotiations with the DUP i regard to the NI assembly but I think she will not have experienced how intransigent the DUP might be. These are evangelical christian fundamentalists steeped in a 19th century baptist separatist culture of exclusion.

May will have a lot of fun with these 'good' people.

[Jenny1]

red devil Wrote:

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> Soundbite Alert!...In the national interest has

> replaced Strong and stable...

What is so irritating about this (to put it mildly) is that, as others have said, this is the second time in 12 months that a Tory government has, completely unnecessarily, created a national crisis.

In what universe do you manufacture 'the greatest peacetime challenge this country has ever faced' (or words to that effect), and then, without so much as a blush, put your 'Churchill cloak' on?

[red devil]

@ Lordy

Jonathan Powell has made an important point...

[Jenny1]

Yes. He made a similar point on World At One. The UK government cannot function as the honest broker in the NI power sharing agreement (which of course has hit the rocks), it it's dependent on one of the parties involved for it's own political survival.

[red devil]

Direct rule on it's way?...

[Jenny1]

red devil Wrote:

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> Direct rule on it's way?...

I don't think so. Can't see that being implemented. I just assume the DUP/Tory agreement can't last very long.

[red devil]

She hasn't thought this through has she? Sound familiar?...:)

[????]

I have a hunch she'll go after the weekend.

If she doesn't I think she'll stand down in 2 years IF they last that long - highly unlikely without internal rebellion, coalition collapse, a Brexit/Economic crisis

If Corbyn is sensible he'll bring back talent into the shadow cabinet - as they'll come crawling back

Labour in govt by 2022, if not before, I reckon.

[jaywalker]

red devil Wrote:

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> Soundbite Alert!...In the national interest has

> replaced Strong and stable...

and, even more bizarrely, CERTAINTY.

I wonder if she is experiencing some fundamental cognitive dissonance. Perhaps she has persuaded herself that she is nothing to do with the loss.

Rumours are that Boris and Davies are already campaigning for the leadership - I guess they hope that no one will remember their role in this fiasco. Cabinet pretty much as before - i.e. this is a caretaker administration until they can find someone they think can take on Corbyn. I fear if it is a Brexiter they will lose even more seats.

Very interesting reading The Times today (I always wear oven gloves on such occasions). May will not be forgiven by the establishment.

[Jenny1]

red devil Wrote:

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> She hasn't thought this through has she? Sound

> familiar?...:)

Does look as if we're in Cameron's favourite territory, 'back of envelope' land.

[????]

Ironically I think the Tories best (and slim) hope is for govt to collapse a new leader happy to debate, challenge Labour's economics, better manifesto (not difficult) and relatively soon!

I think they'll be another GE this yea

[????]

Finally - offering students massive bribes is now proven a very effective way to mobalise the youth vote :)

[red devil]

???? Wrote:

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> Ironically I think the Tories best (and slim) hope

> is for govt to collapse a new leader happy to

> debate, challenge Labour's economics, better

> manifesto (not difficult) and relatively soon!

>

> I think they'll be another GE this yea

Agree, manifesto just needs tweaking, drop the dementia tax, keep the triple lock, keep free meals, hey presto.

But with the hard brexiteers in their ranks, there's something of a death wish about them...

[BrandNewGuy]

red devil Wrote:

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> On the subject of the right-wing press, this

> result was a massive two fingers to them and the

> belief that they sway/win elections, that they can

> get away with systematic character assassinations.

> With the influence of social media growing by the

> day, that's not the case anymore, people can get

> their news/opinions from a variety of sources. Yes

> Corbyn has his faults, but nothing warranted the

> bile that was spewed at him and others. A victory

> for hope not hate...

Much as I detest the gutter press, the social media liberal-left can't believe both 1. that these evil papers control the thoughts of brainless morons and 2. that these morons can somehow turn round and stick their fingers up at the billionaire press barons. FWIW I think the influence of the tabloids is very much exaggerated ? I never believed that it was The Sun wot won it in '92 and most readers of tabloids read them because they reflect their views not because they're looking for political guidance.

[TheCat]

While it is a broadly good thing that the young voter turnout was high, I must say, watching the news tonight, I'm getting a little irritated with 'young people' telling us all how much more they 'care' about others and a fair society....

Note to 'youth'...most people care a lot. But there's a few other things to consider once you've actually got some skin the in the game...

[BrandNewGuy]

And we should be cautious about this youth effect until the numbers have actually been crunched. When David Lammy last night tweeted about a 72% turnout among 18-25 year olds, I wondered exactly how he could have got that information so quickly given that it didn't factor into the exit poll. Turned out it was a made-up figure.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40220032

[jaywalker]

???? Wrote:

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> Finally - offering students massive bribes is now

> proven a very effective way to mobalise the youth

> vote :)

Where have you been? What are you saying? Is it that you think that promising to abolish tuition fees might have mobilised the educated student vote? Is it that triple locks on pensions were no such thing? Were parents bribed by Labour when they said they would not abolish free school meals? Why can't I understand any of your points?

['bout now]

???? Wrote:

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> I have a hunch she'll go after the weekend.

>

> If she doesn't I think she'll stand down in 2

> years IF they last that long - highly unlikely

> without internal rebellion, coalition collapse, a

> Brexit/Economic crisis

>

> If Corbyn is sensible he'll bring back talent into

> the shadow cabinet - as they'll come crawling

> back

>

> Labour in govt by 2022, if not before, I reckon.

This. The speech she gave post Queenie meeting was the most deluded nonsense I've ever heard. I think she read out the victory speech and hoped no one noticed.

In my opinion (worthless, I know), she and the likes of Davis, IDS and co. treated the electorate with such contempt that this was inevitable. Brexit means Brexit, strong and stable, all out of the "shut up and let the big people get on with it" textbook.

Arrogant beyond belief.

As a window into the Mayfair club Tory heartland we even got the bring back Foxhunting nonsense. Yeah, unite the country, dicks.

Strong and Stable, my arse.

[keano77]

TheCat Wrote:

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> While it is a broadly good thing that the young

> voter turnout was high, I must say, watching the

> news tonight, I'm getting a little irritated with

> 'young people' telling us all how much more they

> 'care' about others and a fair society....

>

> Note to 'youth'...most people care a lot. But

> there's a few other things to consider once you've

> actually got some skin the in the game...

You could of added

Note to youth ... when you start paying your own phone bills, your college accommodation and living expenses then tell us where society is going wrong

[Lordship 516]

red devil Wrote:

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> Direct rule on it's way?...

The ConMay/DUP coalition/alliance would make that untenable...Sinn F?in would cause havoc as direct rule would involve

Thearse & her good swivel-eyed buddies in the DUP ruling NI - there would be havoc & Ireland would have serious issues

with that situation as they are equal guardians of the Good Friday Agreement.

Thearse Mayniac has really excelled herself this time & I hope for the good of all the country that she is able to see her way to performing one of her now famous U-turns, hastily turning away in disgust at the very notion that

the DUP/Red Hand/UVF/UDA loons could ever be suitable partners in Westminster for any reason.

They have been trying to subvert the Good Friday agreement since the start; they got rid of Rev Ian Paisley because they regarded his constructive participation in the NI power sharing government as appeasement of the old enemy [sinn F?in].

They want nothing other than total domination in NI, going back to the good old days when Taigs were kept in their place, where the Unionists controlled all the allocation of housing, grants for schools, jobs in Harland & Wolfe, Short & Harland [where you could only get a job if you were a Protestant & a member of the Orange Order], Local Authority jobs, Government jobs & so on; it was like North Korea with total control from the centre, except the Catholics could leave - which is what they tried to engineer through social & economic exclusion. This is what caused the provisional IRA to come into existence - not some malicious death wish that the republican population wanted so they could cause trouble.

This will be what the DUP will attempt to re-engineer in some manner - domination in NI regardless of & with contempt for the Good Friday Agreement. Fascism under a christian right banner & hatred a la KKK.

Foster is not a Free Presbyterian but is driven by their ideology as they dominate the party & if she dared to deviate from their hateful stance she would soon be out on her ear.

May is dancing with a fairly despicable devil & it will bite her on thearse.

[rendelharris]

So we either tell young people to start being middle aged as soon as they turn eighteen, or take the vote away until life has ground the idealism out of them? Personally, as a middle aged cynical old git, I say let's celebrate our youth, especially if they're bothered enough to get involved in activism - more than most of us (including me) do. They've got a lifetime to get old in, they're only young once.

[Lordship 516]

keano77 Wrote:

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> Note to youth ... when you start paying your own

> phone bills, your college accommodation and living

> expenses then tell us where society is going wrong

You might send a similar note to all of the Westminster occupants, MPs & Lords .....

[keano77]

True your Lordship

[Henry_17]

Rendel,

Unnecessary in terms of which imperitive?

[vito]

Did He make it?? :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kysDz7rRcdM&feature=youtu.be