Witnesses please? - murder-investigation-launched-in-peckham-238727

[nunhead_man]

http://news.met.police.uk/news/murder-investigation-launched-in-peckham-238727

[Earl Aelfheah]

People watching and filming, but haven't talked to police. Ffs

[Seabag]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> People watching and filming, but haven't talked to

> police. Ffs

It happened near to me, and initially this was the case. Fear, shock, and other things take hold. But eventually people do the right thing.

I was a witness at the Old Bailey, then so were the others who quitely came forward.

The right people were locked up, for a very long time. But it's harrowing to witness and then talk about in court, knowing you may be key to the case in some bigger or smaller part. And being a witness is a heavy burden, even though you know it's the right thing to do, you're essentially putting the people where you'd never want to be, in jail. Life isn't ever quite the same after that moment.

So have faith, in general good people don't like to see bad people in their comunity.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Fair enough seabag, perhaps my comments a bit unfair. It's just the idea of people standing filming something like this and then not giving that evidence over to the police? I guess it's easy to ignore the stress and shock. I hope they come forward.

[Mystic Mog]

Not too stressed to film though....?

[Seabag]

turtle Wrote:

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> Not too stressed to film though....?

Obviously not, what's your point tho?

Filming and coming forward straight away are two different things. I'm not defending it, but one thing is that with some of that film, it will end up in the police hands. And whatever our 'opinion' on those filming, it will possibly be useful.

I was there in Peckham that day, I saw the crowd as I came out from the Bussey building. I also saw many many people taking photo's on phones. What the fekk people want photo's of a crime scene for I don't know, but it happened when the boy round where I live here was stabbed to death in the street, and someone posted (later removed) a shot of the scene onto Facebook.

I can't see why people would want to do that, but that only my personal view. The world's a raw and horrible place sometimes, and we don't always act our best selves. But I'm cautious to judge to eary on stuff like this.

The best outcome is the police are assisted in their enquiries, and a strong evidence based case prosecutes the crime. What your opinion or anyone else's is, is irrelevant.

[Mystic Mog]

My point is that I find it strange people would want to film a catastrophe unless they wanted to help catch the perpetrators, it seems to happen a lot. As you have kindly pointed out, my view or anyone else's is irrelevant.

[Seabag]

turtle Wrote:

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> My point is that I find it strange people would

> want to film a catastrophe unless they wanted to

> help catch the perpetrators, it seems to happen a

> lot. As you have kindly pointed out, my view or

> anyone else's is irrelevant.

It's the nature of people, it's happened throughout history, phones and filming are just an extension of that.

And you've posted on two threads about stabbing.

[intexasatthe moment]

"And you've posted on two threads about stabbing."

gosh ,did I miss the memo about limiting posts ?

edited to add quotation marks .

[Mystic Mog]

Yes that is correct, I posted in the General section, to offer concern for the young man stabbed in Dulwich Park, is that ok?

[intexasatthe moment]

Turtle ,sorry .My post was directed at Seabag who seems to think that posting on threads should be limited .Which is news to me .

FWIW ,I think your view is totally valid ,not irrelevant .

[Mystic Mog]

intexasatthe moment Wrote:

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> Turtle ,sorry .My post was directed at Seabag who

> seems to think that posting on threads should be

> limited .Which is news to me .

>

> FWIW ,I think your view is totally valid ,not

> irrelevant .

Thanks, I should have quoted Seabag with my response, I did realise the meaning of your comment.

[mynamehere]

VIGIL FOR BILAL KARGBO TRAGICALLY KILLED IN PECKHAM KNIFE CRIME ATTACK ON 28th APRIL 2017

The Vigil for Bilal Kargbo the young person who was tragically killed on Friday 28th 2017 will be held:

Date: FRIDAY 5TH MAY 2017

Time: 5.30pm - 7.30pm

Venue: The Peace Garden - Walworth Methodist Church, 54 Camberwell Road London SE5 0EN

[Seabag]

turtle Wrote:

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> Yes that is correct, I posted in the General

> section, to offer concern for the young man

> stabbed in Dulwich Park, is that ok?

Mawkish.

[Seabag]

intexasatthe moment Wrote:

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> "And you've posted on two threads about

> stabbing."

>

> gosh ,did I miss the memo about limiting posts ?

>

> edited to add quotation marks .

Sling your hook, I wasn't talking to you, so butt out. FYI, it's not about limitions, it's about the nature of the inquiry from Turtle. On one hand passing some slightly snide comment about people filming, watching such events. Then hovering round mawkishly offering some kind of 'sympathetic' enquiry about the event.

Other than that, nose & ointment comes to mind.

[JohnL]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> Fair enough seabag, perhaps my comments a bit

> unfair. It's just the idea of people standing

> filming something like this and then not giving

> that evidence over to the police? I guess it's

> easy to ignore the stress and shock. I hope they

> come forward.

Filming as a third party in a threatening situation is meant to show the persons

that you have them on film (even if you're just pretending to film).

Also looking directly across the street and saying "Excuse me officer"

- they won't spend seconds looking for the policeman.

Just small actions can make someone think twice.

[Mystic Mog]

Seabag Wrote:

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> intexasatthe moment Wrote:

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> -----

> > "And you've posted on two threads about

> > stabbing."

> >

> > gosh ,did I miss the memo about limiting posts

> ?

> >

> > edited to add quotation marks .

>

> Sling your hook, I wasn't talking to you, so butt

> out. FYI, it's not about limitions, it's about the

> nature of the inquiry from Turtle. On one hand

> passing some slightly snide comment about people

> filming, watching such events. Then hovering round

> mawkishly offering some kind of 'sympathetic'

> enquiry about the event.

>

> Other than that, nose & ointment comes to mind.

The event I was enquiring about was a different one to this, for your information. My comment on here was not snide and my enquiry about the young man stabbed in Dulwich Park was 100% genuine. At least you have shown yourself for what you are. Stick your ointment!

[Seabag]

turtle Wrote:

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> Seabag Wrote:

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> > intexasatthe moment Wrote:

> >

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>

> > -----

> > > "And you've posted on two threads about

> > > stabbing."

> > >

> > > gosh ,did I miss the memo about limiting

> posts

> > ?

> > >

> > > edited to add quotation marks .

> >

> > Sling your hook, I wasn't talking to you, so

> butt

> > out. FYI, it's not about limitions, it's about

> the

> > nature of the inquiry from Turtle. On one hand

> > passing some slightly snide comment about

> people

> > filming, watching such events. Then hovering

> round

> > mawkishly offering some kind of 'sympathetic'

> > enquiry about the event.

> >

> > Other than that, nose & ointment comes to mind.

>

>

> The event I was enquiring about was a different

> one to this, for your information. My comment on

> here was not snide and my enquiry about the young

> man stabbed in Dulwich Park was 100% genuine. At

> least you have shown you self for what you are.

> Stick your ointment!

I'm absolutely fine with me, but you, I find mawkish.

There's plenty to ogle at elsewhere on-line. If you need more info, google is vey informative here.

But you seem to require more details, and passing silly comments on people at the scene.

[Mystic Mog]

Glad you are comfortable in your own skin as am I in mine. Thanks for your input, quite an interesting take on distorting complete strangers opinions and intentions.

[alice]

we all seem to care so much. see you at the memorial.

[intexasatthe moment]

You're right Alice ,not really an occasion for nit picking .

[Mystic Mog]

Yes, sorry about that folks, did feel I had to stick up for myself though.

[Seabag]

intexasatthe moment Wrote:

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> You're right Alice ,not really an occasion for nit

> picking .

Therein lies the rub, the description of crime as an 'occasion' like it's a visiting fun fair.

It's a murder, not something to fish for information at for vicarious pleasure or make comments like "gosh, did I miss the memo" or "Not too stressed to film though.."

And I'm not sure Alice's "We all seem to care so much" comment was meant to back anyone up.

I suggest you go back to the beginning and read the Met's memo on the OP's link. There's nothing I see there that suggests people aren't assisting the Met in all the ways they can. But the following posts are revealing of knee jerk prejudice in such cases, with the assumption that 'people' aren't assisting the Met

Rah-rah heated the info up to serve a purpose unknown, and from there it snowballed into Turtle's snide comment that was short hand for what I said above.

However, as I said previously. It's mawkish in my view to seek info on incidents that don't really have anything to do with you, or at it's worst it's "virtue signalling" of which nobody likes to be called out for.

And yes, harsh as it is, I stand by my comments. This news you seek isn't a form of arms length entertainment. Let the Police do thier job, and if your unsure as to what goes on, then sit back and keep you 'sympathies' in check, and maybe reflect on doing something useful with them.

[intexasatthe moment]

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[JohnL]

Seabag Wrote:

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> However, as I said previously. It's mawkish in my

> view to seek info on incidents that don't really

> have anything to do with you, or at it's worst

> it's "virtue signalling" of which nobody likes to

> be called out for.

It happened on the street I live though. So in my view

it is my issue - as are the guys and girls screaming,

arguing and falling over every night and the rest.

It's not a case of being mawkish though it's just knowing

what is going on on the street to protect myself and others.