Another terrorist attack....... Ariana grande concert

[JohnL]

http://www.snopes.com/manchester-attack-false-flag/

A CNN analyst did however say early on there was a small chance of the attack being a false flag.

What he mean't however was that right wingers in Germany planned an attack to 'frame' muslims and raised the possibilty of it in this case - obviously this was quickly proved to be not true. A case of an analyst being too clever almost.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/german-soldier-syria-refugee-false-flag-terror-attack-posing-arrested-frankfurt-france-bavaria-a7705231.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/german-soldiers-false-flag-arrests-refugees-assassinate-plot-far-right-left-wing-politicians-terror-a7726676.html

[Otta]

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> I suspect it's just a coping mechanism of sorts

Possibly in some cases.

But I remember one after 9/11 that said "if you enter the flight number of the plane that crashed (and then gave you a number) in to Word and choose this particular font..."

You did it, and it showed a plane and a building and an explosion or something.

Of course the number it gave you as the flight number was total bollocks and nothing like the actual flight number.

That was the work of a sad person.

[Borky]

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> 22-03-17 London attack

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> Are these ALL right? I spot checked a couple.

> Weird. Make of it what you will.

Nuts in the USA & more recently Europe have been peddling this stuff for as long as the 'net has existed and probably before. if you look long enough, you will see patterns where no patterns exist.It goes to a new level if nuttiness when they start to disassemble the names of people/ locations using some absurd code that the NWO have hidden in the dtail. Obviously the Rothschilds are to blame eventually

[steveo]

Yeah but the Illuminati faked the moon landings right?

[Borky]

natch

I could link to some utter insanity being circulated about Manchester but it goes beyond even my low low level of taste

[maxxi]

I'm not sure - I once entered a secret code into an electronic calculator and it said 'BOOBIES' - I've never trusted Casio since.*

*Dons foil hat.

[titch juicy]

This is a little concerning.

https://twitter.com/AJScattergood/status/867497144420380673

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Well yeah, that's ridiculous.

[jaywalker]

I think it is possible to think what is happening here (wrt the patterns in the dates and so forth).

In a casino there are routinely people round roulette tables recording (usually, at least in UK casinos) random numbers. From which they try to deduce, and persuade themselves that they can deduce, patterns.

Or take gestalt recognition. Not as an image in-itself. But made of a pattern: the brain must do some work.

Probably everything we know is down to this process: so we apply it even where there is nothing to be learned.

[KidKruger]

So hands up who thinks if Blair hadn't dragged the UK into a fake 'war' with Iraq, the Manchester bomb would have happened ?

[red devil]

9/11 happened before the Iraq War, perhaps you'd like to take a look further back for a scapegoat?...

[Jules-and-Boo]

while that is true, RD, the West have been meddling in the Middle East for a long time.

Whatever the start of the chain of events, the consequences are that the ideologoy of hatred is poison...spreading and gaining power by conditioning - i.e people copying, influencing, corrupting other's minds.

[KidKruger]

That wasn't the question RD, but thanks for replaying obvious dates.

[titch juicy]

Surely it goes back a lot further than the iraq war?

[red devil]

You're welcome KK, thanks for playing the scapegoat card...

[KidKruger]

RD I think there's a world of difference between looking at why the atrocity might have happened v a 'scapegoating' agenda.

[Jenny1]

As I remember it, Middle East pundits who warned that a war against Saddam Hussein would fuel the growth of global terrorism did so because of an 'indirect' rather than a 'direct' causative link.

Anti-western terrorism was of course already 'out there' because of Bin Laden. However they pointed out that a war in Iraq, particularly one launched with no proper reconstruction plan in place, would lead to intense social and political instability. This chaos would, in turn (amongst many other damaging effects), create a breeding ground for extremist groups.

It made complete sense at the time - and it makes complete sense now. But it's not as simple as 'Lots of extremist hate the West because of the war in Iraq'.

The real crime, in my view, was not putting together an intelligent reconstruction scheme before launching the war to topple Saddam. If the US and UK governments had listened to the 'experts' they wouldn't have made this mistake - and we wouldn't have the problems we currently have. 'Experts' are there for a reason.

[KidKruger]

where did anyone write 'Lots of extremist hate the West because of the war in Iraq' (apart from yourself) ?

[Jenny1]

Hi KidKruger. I'm not responding to anyone saying that here.

[JohnL]

Bush dismisses it as "a mistake" now.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/04/iraq-war-bush-isis

I'm old enough to remember way back to Afghanistan being invaded by the Soviet Union and Mujahideen being used as "proxies" between the US and USSR - that perhaps was the original root.

[Jenny1]

Thanks for the article link JohnL. Interesting. And yes, I agree about Afghanistan. I'm quite old enough to remember that too, sadly! As the Vanity Fair piece says, this is really about a long history of incompetent, short-sighted and often self-defeating foreign policy.

[Borky]

Pointless trying to mark a turning point when we have such a lengthy history of being utter rotters around the globe.

Regarding the Manchester/Libya awfulness, this is worth a read.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/sorted-mi5-how-uk-government-sent-british-libyans-fight-gaddafi-1219906488

[Otta]

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RD I like you and think you're a top poster, but this response winds me up. As soon as people try to look at the causes of this terrorism, other people shout about making excuses for the terrorist.

The terrorist was scum, a nasty little cunt that didnt deserve to avoid justice the way he did. What happened that night is on him 100%.

But why is it happening so much (this type of attack actually quite rare in western countries, but more low tech attacks are regular)?

Now 9/11 did happen before Iraq. And those that head up this twisted style of islam do indeed just hate our way of life. IO believe the originator of this school of islam visited America years ago (decades) and came back saying "nope, it's all wrong and sinful over there". So yes, at the route of it is our way of life, nothing to do with foreign policy.

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1. In terms of their recruitment drives, I believe our actions over there have helped them immeasurably. One of the Lee Rigby killers said to the camera that it was payback.

2. We have gone in, caused chaos, then left without sorting the chaos. This has created the perfect canvas for IS to build on.

So yes, I believe that if we hadn't gone in to various campaigns (not just Iraq), we might not be seeing so many home grown dickheads doing this stupid evil shit.

I also think a lot of them are vulnerable and IS are very good at grooming.

And I also think some of them are just thick macho twats that want to go and play with guns.

[uncleglen]

Many of them are made vulnerable because of the massive contradictions in their lives beginning at birth. They are brought up to think that western ways and values are inferior and that our christian faith is split up into many branches (they have sat in my classroom and said so on many occasions).Then all around them are young people having fun, going out, not going to a place of worship every week through choice and they are trying to be friends, or not, with them but they cannot join in the fun. I remember being in North Cross Road a couple of Xmases ago and the little stage was up, the then Muslim mayor was there and there were 2 children coming out of the mosque with adult men who were talking and the children were looking up the road at the fun going on. Then the men took them away in the opposite direction.

I dread to think what they would go through if they found out they were gay...

[alice]

I have no doubt you make up these little vignettes in the hope they back up your nasty opinions.