Brexit View

[red devil]

Back to ''have your cake and eat it'' territory...

[Blah Blah]

Except the EU won't negotiate this until the divorce bill is agreed and the status of EU nationals is agreed. I don't understand what part of that this the government doesn't understand. The EU have consistently stated this from the start. How long is the UK going to wait before discussing these things? They have already wasted almost 5 months and agreed on nothing. But what is very clear, is all the nonsense about no deal being ok really is nonsense that will cost UK business and the economy dear, and the Tories know it.

[keano77]

"Except the EU won't negotiate this until the divorce bill is agreed ..."

True. But as I've said before, any agreement on the divorce bill ought to be conditional. Not one cent to the EU until a trade deal acceptable to the UK Parliament is agreed.

[Seabag]

keano77 Wrote:

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> "Except the EU won't negotiate this until the

> divorce bill is agreed ..."

>

> True. But as I've said before, any agreement on

> the divorce bill ought to be conditional. Not one

> cent to the EU until a trade deal acceptable to

> the UK Parliament is agreed.

Just f&cking hurry up tho, as I'm here in Spain trying to get a number of deals done and this Brexshit malarkey is costing me.

Worse still the rest of those doing business here just don't get us, and I don't get us.

It's all very well perambulating when it 'doesn't actually' personally cost you anything. However, the Tory cnuuunts who aren't actually in business dont seem to actually grasp the damage they're inflicting.

#LockUpBoris

[keano77]

Been on the sangria Seabag?

[Blah Blah]

keano77 Wrote:

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> "Except the EU won't negotiate this until the

> divorce bill is agreed ..."

>

> True. But as I've said before, any agreement on

> the divorce bill ought to be conditional. Not one

> cent to the EU until a trade deal acceptable to

> the UK Parliament is agreed.

Then you are asking for no deal. We are leaving the EU, not the other way round remember. Holding any divorce bill to ransom on a trade deal is only going to piss the EU off. They will never go for it. And you have to remember that any agreement is subject not only to our own parliament, but also the 27 members of the EU parliament agreeing too. Time is running out for getting any of this done. We can not leave it to the 11th hour. Trade agreements are very complex to negotiate in themselves, because every single good or service to be included has to be negotiated. There is no such thing as a free trade deal. CETA, which took ten years to negotiate, excludes a whole raft of things from tariff free trade. Only access to the single market delivers a 100% free trade agreement. And it is the time it takes to negotiate trade deals that is the reason behind the request for a transitional period lasting however many years it takes to get new trade deals in place. The cost to UK business of WTO tariffs is just too high a price to pay.

[keano77]

"...And you have to remember that any agreement is subject not only to our own parliament, but also the 27 members of the EU parliament agreeing too..."

It's worse than that Blah Blah, regional governments are involved as well (e.g. Belgium). I think at least 34 bodies have to give their half-arsed approval.

That said, I accept it won't be a breeze. However, there's no need for protracted 7-odd years bureaucratic agreements. Forget Junket's air-taxis wheeze. Lock the buggers in a room in a Papal conclave-style negotiation where they don't come out until they've reached agreement and I think you'll find we'll have a deal in a few weeks.

[JohnL]

So from what I get from Davis yesterday

We're going to create our own customs union wayhay :) Ireland might join it too :) - will we ask the rest of the EU to join ours ?

I'm now so confused.

[Loz]

David Davis today: "Brexit is going 'incredibly well'"

I'd hate to see what 'incredibly slowly, badly and made up as we go along' looks like, then.

[Alan Medic]

He also said this. Lovely phrase.

'David Davis says if people not aware of what they want for Brexit that's on purpose. He says "constructive ambiguity" vital for negotiations'

[JohnL]

?What we are not going to do, let?s be clear, we are not going to continue the ?10 billion a year net contributions we currently have.?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-david-davis-refuses-to-rule-out-uk-paying-to-strike-trade-deals-with-noneu-nations-a3612016.html

That's what we'll do then

[Loz]

JohnL Wrote:

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> ?What we are not going to do, let?s be clear, we

> are not going to continue the ?10 billion a year

> net contributions we currently have.?

Well, as net contributions are about ?8.6 billion, then we've done that already.

[Seabag]

Has David Davis shed a few pounds? It must be all the hard work he's putting in.

[Seabag]

keano77 Wrote:

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> "...And you have to remember that any agreement is

> subject not only to our own parliament, but also

> the 27 members of the EU parliament agreeing

> too..."

>

> It's worse than that Blah Blah, regional

> governments are involved as well (e.g. Belgium). I

> think at least 34 bodies have to give their

> half-arsed approval.

>

> That said, I accept it won't be a breeze. However,

> there's no need for protracted 7-odd years

> bureaucratic agreements. Forget Junket's air-taxis

> wheeze. Lock the buggers in a room in a Papal

> conclave-style negotiation where they don't come

> out until they've reached agreement and I think

> you'll find we'll have a deal in a few weeks.

Come on Keano, as much as you write floridly about the situation you do have a history of backing flops.

This Brexit shite you've so wed yourself to is much like the handbag & hampers business you ran and failed with. You spent hours and weeks writing ad's to sell the crap you'd pinned the future on.

So as much as you try and reason and argue the position of Brexit , it'll end in a familiar place of basement sale and horse trading like you've been in before.

Only this time, spare us the effort.

[keano77]

Hampers sold in huge deal with Spain

[red devil]

Seabag Wrote:

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> Has David Davis shed a few pounds? It must be all

> the hard work he's putting in.

I reckon he thinks he's a bit of a maitn?e idol for the blue rinse brigade, aka the poor man's Des Lynam had someone punched him in the nose. But alas poor Double D, he's going head to head with Michel Barnier, all European suave, charm and sophistication. Only one winner I'm afraid, it won't be long before our Treez throws her knickers in the direction of Brussels...

[Seabag]

keano77 Wrote:

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> Hampers sold in huge deal with Spain

Ha ha!

Jokes, youre living off them as we speak

Flop!

[keano77]

Seabag Wrote:

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> > Hampers sold in huge deal with Spain

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> Ha ha!

>

> Jokes, youre living off them as we speak

>

> Flop!

😀

[Seabag]

keano77 Wrote:

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> > > Hampers sold in huge deal with Spain

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> > Ha ha!

> >

> > Jokes, youre living off them as we speak

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> > Flop!

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> 😀

Actually, I could do with a cup of tea.

[keano77]

Sold out I'm afraid Seabag. Snapped up by Brexiters with discerning palates.

[JohnL]

Seabag Wrote:

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> Has David Davis shed a few pounds? It must be all

> the hard work he's putting in.

He's on a three day week apparently :)

[malumbu]

I think that this photo says it all. There should be a new sign saying you have just left a progressive modern forward thinking country.

All so sad.

 

[malumbu]

I think that this photo says it all. There should be a new sign saying you have just left a progressive modern forward thinking country.

All so sad.

[malumbu]

That's a comment on the UK not NI I hasten to add.

[JohnL]

So Theresa May returns and starts going on about a big bell.

Oh dear - has she been totally sidelined.