Brexit View

[Alan Medic]

Where's the evidence that BJ manipulated JJ?

[diable rouge]

I'd argue that JJ wouldn't have resigned were it nor for the 700k...

[JohnL]

Carole Cadwalladr has reported that the Tax Payers alliance has agreed to accept all guilt in the dismissal and character attacks on Shahmir Sanni

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/11/brexit-whistleblower-shahmir-sanni-taxpayers-alliance-concedes-it-launched-smears?CMP=share_btn_tw

Apparently by conceding that they won't be forced to reveal their benefactors in court.

[robbin]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> I'd argue that JJ wouldn't have resigned were it

> nor for the 700k...

lol!

[JohnL]

JJ is having a pop today - sounds like the vote is lost - maybe she won't even get it through cabinet.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-may-accused-of-calculated-deceit-of-the-british-public-over-brexit-a3987516.html

but most chilling for me in that case

?frankly, there haven?t been enough no-deal preparations to prove an alternative?.

[diable rouge]

Whatever happened to ''No deal is better than a bad deal''?...:)

[JohnL]

So David Liddington (effectively Deputy Prime Minister) has said we made our decision even if it makes us poorer (as he obviously believes it will) and it has to be implemented.

8/10 for honesty

2/10 for understanding that people can change their mind

[JohnL]

The PM - either deluded or lying I'm afraid. Even 52-48 is not overwhelming and I subscribe to the belief that has changed.

'She said Britons "overwhelmingly" wanted her to "get on" with leaving the EU at the address on Monday night.'

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-may-i-wont-at-any-cost-sign-a-brexit-deal-that-compromises-referendum-result-a3988186.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-final-say-remain-leave-new-poll-latest-news-uk-a8524431.html

[diable rouge]

Statements like that don't really bother me at this stage, as there is an argument that to say something like ''there will be a 2nd ref'' would undermine their already tenuous negotiating position. At the moment it all feels like grandstanding at the eleventh hour, who will blink first. The consensus seems that whatever we end up with will get voted down and we'll end up in a full blown constitutional crisis with the clock still ticking. One under-reported event from last week is that the Gov lost an appeal against a case for the CJEU to rule whether the UK can unilaterally withdraw the A50 notice, thereby not needing the approval of all the EU27, as it currently stands. You'd think that would be a nice insurance to have should things get really sticky, but this Gov is trying to appeal again, this time to the Supreme Court, using 5 QC's, more than they used in the Gina Miller case. If it fails the case will be heard before the CJEU at the end of this month. This was one of the reasons why the Gov has been rushing to get a deal done for a Nov summit before then, but that doesn't look like it will happen now. Instead, it will be mid-Dec, which is good news and weakens the Gov's line that the only options are a bad deal or no deal.

It also looks like the Gov will have to publish their Brexit legal advice. For a Gov that proposes Gov ''taking back control'', they have a funny way of showing it...

[JohnL]

Jacob Rees Mogg has said Theresa Mays deal is not just a vassal state but a slave state. The video (posted by Faisal Islam) is all foggy like some strange found footage movie.

By the way Faisal is moving from Sky to the BBC as Economics Editor

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2018/faisal-islam

[Passiflora]

Just watching the BBC news and the news readers and reporters are frothing at the mouth and can't get their words out quick enough about the Brexit news!

[JohnL]

Robert Mueller is after Nigel Farage and Arron Banks apparently. I'd love it if Farage was the brains behind all the sh*t going on in the world - but can't see it.

https://www.newsweek.com/mueller-wants-info-donald-trumps-british-ally-far-right-politician-nigel-1214039

Lovely pic mind.

[JohnL]

Theresa May has now taken back control

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-latest-theresa-may-plan-retain-control-eu-sabine-weyand-cabinet-a8632866.html

[Angelina]

I find all of this confusing. Is May actually working pro-EU and the Border/ Backstop is actually a distraction? There is so little fact - and not enough detail about it to warrant all the big headlines about it.

It would appear that we are leaving but nothing is changing? apart from a divorce settlement.

Do we actually know?

[diable rouge]

Lots of analogies out there this morning, liking this one...Brexit is a Shetland pony with a traffic cone on its head... :)

[JohnL]

Angelina Wrote:

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> I find all of this confusing. Is May actually

> working pro-EU and the Border/ Backstop is

> actually a distraction? There is so little fact -

> and not enough detail about it to warrant all the

> big headlines about it.

>

> It would appear that we are leaving but nothing is

> changing? apart from a divorce settlement.

>

> Do we actually know?

We haven't seen her plan but it's leaking out.

We won't have representation on the Council of Ministers, We won't have MEPs (as in any form of Brexit) but we have to follow all the rules and maintain all the standards of a member. We won't be negotiating our own trade deals until we can exit the temporary deal which apparently is almost impossible to do (according to leaks)

So (in my view which is similar to the Brexiteers) there is something of the Vassal state in her plan.

[Angelina]

so, actually worse than before. no control and no input.

are we really expecting the cabinet to pass this? surely it's just impossibly blind.

[JohnL]

Angelina Wrote:

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> so, actually worse than before. no control and no

> input.

>

> are we really expecting the cabinet to pass this?

> surely it's just impossibly blind.

Remainers and Leavers seem united in not liking this deal.

I bet Theresa May has something up her sleeve - she may be really bad at some things but she's always been good at finding ways of getting things through parliament using every trick in the book.

[Angelina]

well that's worrying - whether she's got a way of wiggling this through, or if there's more to it that we don't know about.....???

there's a protest today if anyone's near.

[Alan Medic]

Angelina Wrote:

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> well that's worrying - whether she's got a way of

> wiggling this through, or if there's more to it

> that we don't know about.....???

>

> there's a protest today if anyone's near.

A protest? A sort of 'down with this type of thing' type protest? It's probably hard to be specific.

[Angelina]

yes a sort of "Leave means Leave not Stay and Worse than Before" protest.

[diable rouge]

Something to lighten the mood, BBC Director and anti-Brexit protester go head to head :)... https://twitter.com/SimonNRicketts/status/1062684649749708800

[JohnL]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> Something to lighten the mood, BBC Director and

> anti-Brexit protester go head to head :)...

> https://twitter.com/SimonNRicketts/status/10626846

> 49749708800

LOL Sodem - One day they'll have tech to delete him from shot in real time (and that'll be a bad day)

[diable rouge]

JohnL Wrote:

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> I bet Theresa May has something up her sleeve -

> she may be really bad at some things but she's

> always been good at finding ways of getting things

> through parliament using every trick in the book.

I reckon she'll use the ticking clock a lot, already has form for that, and is even doing it with her own Cabinet today. Having first seen the WA late last night, a document which by all accounts is 500 pages long, and very, very, detailed, they are expected to give a verdict on it this afternoon. Last December they couldn't even decipher a couple of A4s, which brought about the problematic issue of the Irish backstop. Expect it will go through with little fuss, then it will be interesting to see how May sells it to her party (and some Labour MPs in Leave seats). The obvious line will be the threat of No Deal, but that doesn't cut it with the ERG and DUP, or even Labour rebels like Hoey, who being Brexit ideologues would actually prefer that...

[dbboy]

What's the betting that if the Govt No deals on Brexit, the cost of the weekly shop will rocket in price as soon as it is announced or possibly from 1st April next year?

Has anyone bought additional non perishable items as a precaution (especially those that are imported into the UK from the continent/EU?