Brexit View

[JohnL]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> Just leaving this here, courtesy of Santa Corbyn,

> delivered under the radar of the festive break.

> Perhaps Labour supporting Remainers will now

> finally wake up to what Corbyn has always

> wanted...https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018

> /dec/22/remainers-condemn-jeremy-corbyn-pledge-to-

> push-on-with-brexit

It hasn't gone under the radar - it's exploded. Why did he need to say that,

[diable rouge]

JohnL Wrote:

> It hasn't gone under the radar - it's exploded.

> Why did he need to say that,

I said it was delivered under the radar, i.e. parliament in recess, long festive break etc, a 'good' time to bury bad news, probably hopes that by the time parliament convenes in the new year it will be forgotten about.

He didn't need to say it, but I'm glad he did, it might finally wake up his apologists who support Remain who've been kidding themselves he had some long-term master plan leading to a People's Vote. He doesn't want one, he's a Brexiter, always has been, always will be.

I hope everyone rests up and has a nice Christmas, because in the new year the shit is really going to hit the fan...:)

[JohnL]

Peace this Christmas LOL :)

But when Theresa May says remain and leave should give up their names and agree. Does she mean agree on her plan :)

[diable rouge]

Her God comments are worrying. Ties in with the Brexiter's mentality, all about believing in Brexit rather than actual facts...

[JohnL]

That troubles me - she believes she's guided by God then ?

I'm sure Blair went through a similar phase.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/5373525/Tony-Blair-believed-God-wanted-him-to-go-to-war-to-fight-evil-claims-his-mentor.html

[ianr]

> Her God comments are worrying.

Your source please.

[diable rouge]

[diable rouge]

Gotta love a good pyrotechnic troll...:)

Happy Neu Year everyone!

[JohnL]

Daily Mail blames Sadiq Khan as you would expect :)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6544145/Remainer-Sadiq-Khan-slammed-politicising-Londons-New-Years-Eve-fireworks.html

And the Standard #

As the song There For You, by drum and bass artist Culture Shock was played, the London Eye was lit up to resemble an EU flag.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/mayor-sadiq-khan-accused-of-politicising-london-new-years-fireworks-display-a4027921.html

[cella]

It was fantastic and exciting. Was also a brilliant way of welcoming all nationalities and reinforcing that London is open to all whether for business or valuing the contributions of many different cultures. It didn't feel particularly political to me. Well - maybe the flag ....a little. Great.

[keano77]

The firework display was great and I don?t have a problem with Kahn?s welcoming message as such, although spending British tax payers? money on an EU-themed, London-centric message is questionable. Where were the other non-EU languages of all those nationalities who have made Britain what it is? Hindi, Urdu to name just two.

Compare Kahn?s little European outlook to Dubai?s display. In English (the lingua franca) Dubai wished the world ?Happy New Year from Dubai?

That?s class.

[JoeLeg]

Keano, you really are easily impressed.

Sad, really.

I mean, Dubai? That?s a place that you think we should be looking up to?

[keano77]

I share your concerns JoeLeg on Dubai?s religious, political and institutional system.

However, in welcoming in the New Year, a new start, new opportunities, to put behind us the less attractive aspects of 2018 and seize the future anew, I see no harm in the universal message ?Happy New Year from Dubai?

Kahn could learn much from that outward embracing message

[diable rouge]

Dubai, built from modern day slavery/exploitation of immigrants.

Happy New Year serfs... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7985361.stm

[keano77]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> Dubai, built from modern day slavery/exploitation

> of immigrants.

> Happy New Year serfs...

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7985361.stm

How do you think Britain was built historically?

[rendelharris]

keano77 Wrote:

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> The firework display was great and I don?t have a

> problem with Kahn?s welcoming message as such,

> although spending British tax payers? money on an

> EU-themed, London-centric message is questionable.

Seeing as the money came from London taxpayers, not all of Britain, and we voted 60% remain, it seems fair enough to me. Also the net cost to us (after ticket sales) is ?2.3M, and the estimated tourism benefit of the display is ?6.5M, not like it was being wasted.

[keano77]

You miss the point Rendel.

When Auckland is the largest city to kick off the New Year celebrations, followed by Sydney, the celebrations represent The nations of New Zealand and Australia. They are not some parochial city event.

The London celebrations are broadcast to, and watched by, the world. It is Britain being showcased to the world. It should not be used for political purposes to say to the world Britain is crapping itself, please can we stay in the EU.

[rendelharris]

Are you going to tell Mancunians, or Glaswegians, or Liverpudlians, or Novocastrians, that London's NY celebrations represent the UK? Good luck.

You said "I don?t have a problem with Kahn?s welcoming message as such, although spending British taxpayers? money on an EU-themed, London-centric message is questionable." OK, I've just pointed out that it wasn't British taxpayers' money being spent, it was Londoners' council tax money (to our benefit), and as you don't have a problem with his welcoming message, we're all good. Happy New Year!

[keano77]

On your figures 40% of Londoners should demand a substantial council tax rebate if a Remainer mayor is misusing their hard-earned cash for dubious political purposes.

I?m sure most of regional Britain would not be happy with Kahn?s sucking up to the EU being being representative of their views

[rendelharris]

keano77 Wrote:

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> On your figures 40% of Londoners should demand a

> substantial council tax rebate if a Remainer mayor

> is misusing their hard-earned cash for dubious

> political purposes.

I'd swear you said above you were OK with the message? And on your dubious logic, when the government spend however many tens of billions they've set aside to deal with Brexit, can I have a rebate on my income tax as I didn't vote for it?

> I?m sure most of regional Britain would not be

> happy with Kahn?s sucking up to the EU being being

> representative of their views

Tough, to be honest - this is London, it was our money, our display, it reflected the views of the majority of our citizens and he's our mayor. If we don't like it, we can vote him out.

[keano77]

I did say I was generally okay with his message. To acknowledge that many EU citizens have made a valuable contribution and Britain (not just London) is open to industrious types is something I agree with. Unfortunately he confined it to EU citizens, ignoring many other nationalities.

You seem to have difficulty grasping that Londoners are British on your distinctions above but never mind. Kahn is toast anyway and once his ULEZ scheme comes into force he?ll be dead man walking re the 2020 mayoral elections.

Anyway, I wish everyone a very happy New Year. I fear we?ll be disagreeing soon enough when malevolent forces ratchet up project Brexit Betrayal

[cella]

I very much hope he will be re elected. Looking at his very low grade Tory opponent it must be a strong possibility.

[rendelharris]

keano77 Wrote:

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> You seem to have difficulty grasping that

> Londoners are British on your distinctions above

> but never mind.

Oh come on, you're better than that, surely? Or maybe you genuinely don't know the difference between monies paid by citizens of a city to their city government and the monies they pay to their national government, in which case it's you who has difficulty.

> Kahn is toast anyway and once his

> ULEZ scheme comes into force he?ll be dead man

> walking re the 2020 mayoral elections.

59% of respondents in the last poll I saw supported the ULEZ within the CC zone, and the extension won't take place until after the elections, so I would think it will have a minimal influence on the 2020 poll. Khan has never had a negative popularity rating in any poll since becoming mayor, and has been consistently between 5% and 15% ahead of the Tories in the polls. You seem to be confusing what you wish was the case with the reality.

[keano77]

I don?t know. You keep quoting dodgy statistics from dodgy polls. I?ve never met anyone who has answered pollsters questions (or admitted to it) so it begs the question as to who answers such questions and the reliability of the answers.

Further you always quote figures to support your arguments that purport to show a majority in favour. Yet one of the main things the Brexit referendum showed is just under half the population do not understand, or refuse to accept, what a majority vote means in a democracy.

Assuming your figure of 59% in favour of ULEZ in the CC has any merit whatsoever you might want to ask yourself why people are calling it Kahn?s poll tax (clue: ?12.50 per day for certain vehicles in addition to the congestion charge from British people, not just British Londoners, will help pay for a lot of EU propaganda

[rendelharris]

Ah, so polls are "dodgy" because you don't know people who've participated in them, and yet your assertion that "people are calling it Kahn's [sic] poll tax" is some form of evidence? You surely must have something -really, anything - better than that?