Brexit View

[cella]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> alice Wrote:

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> > Isn?t cable retiring?

> > Farage is a small puppet.

> > Boris is not electable north of Watford.

>

> and Corbyn ? What about Corbyn.

> ? Blair has 10 homes ? The ones we know about.

> He makes a fortune by speaking at lucrative

> events.

> Corbyn is after a Slice of this very Lucrative

> Pie.

>

> Labour could not give a shite about the

> #Homeless

>

> Brexit or no Brexit.

What does this even mean? It's very clear you don't support Corbyn but where's any evidence for your very general assertion?

Sorry Sue - hadn't seen your similiar post.

[Sue]

Sue Wrote:

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> DulwichFox Wrote:

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> and Corbyn ? What about Corbyn.

> ? Blair has 10 homes ? The ones we know about.

> He makes a fortune by speaking at lucrative

> events.

>

> > Corbyn is after a Slice of this very

> Lucrative

> > Pie.

> >

> > Labour could not give a shite about the

> > #Homeless

>

> > Brexit or no Brexit.

>

>

>

> What is your (credible) evidence for the part in

> bold above, exactly?

>

> If you haven't got any, then please don't post

> such (insert bad word of your choice, such as

> crap) on here.

Awaiting a response.

Not holding my breath.

[JohnL]

I'm not sure greed is one of Corbyn's failures whatever you think of him.

[Jules-and-Boo]

could someone please annotate the list with which party is in favour of remaining and which is in favour of leaving?

BREX:

LAB:

CON:

GRN:

LDEM:

UKIP:

CHUK:

[Siduhe]

@Jules-and-Boo

It's not so much who is in favour of leave or remain as even those advocating for a second referendum agree that we would leave if the vote went that way in the follow up plebiscite [the first and probably the last time I ever get to use that word!].

However, according to today's FT:

BREX: Leave as soon as possible by all means necessary, including with a no-deal Brexit.

LAB: Leave with a deal, not the current withdrawal deal proposed by the Prime Minister but with the aim of ultimately remaining in a customs union with the EU and within the single market.

CON: Officially, the current withdrawal deal, but not supported by the entire party.

GRN: Second referendum

LDEM: Second referendum

UKIP: Not mentioned by the FT.

CHUK: Second referendum

This is pure gossip but I had dinner with a civil servant yesterday who reckons Labour and the Conservatives are close to agreeing Labour support for the current withdrawal deal in exchange for a political declaration to work towards a customs union with the EU during the transition period. In which case we wouldn't be involved in the European elections at all and Brexit day would happen very soon without a second referendum. To be really clear this person has no inside knowledge, but that was their best guess of what would happen.

[JohnL]

Siduhe Wrote:

> This is pure gossip but I had dinner with a civil

> servant yesterday who reckons Labour and the

> Conservatives are close to agreeing Labour support

> for the current withdrawal deal in exchange for a

> political declaration to work towards a customs

> union with the EU during the transition period. In

> which case we wouldn't be involved in the European

> elections at all and Brexit day would happen very

> soon without a second referendum. To be really

> clear this person has no inside knowledge, but

> that was their best guess of what would happen.

Yet last nights Evening Standard saying this would cost Labour a huge amount of support - just as they hit a good lead with the Tories in freefall. Would Corbyn really do that - although he can't look like he's negotiating in bad faith.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/back-public-vote-on-brexit-or-hand-europe-victory-to-nigel-farage-voters-tell-jeremy-corbyn-a4120156.html

[diable rouge]

Another poll, this one by ComRes, figures in brackets refer to last EU elections where UKIP got 27%, same as BP in the earlier poll...

LAB: 33% (+8)

CON: 18% (-6)

BREX: 17% (+17)

CHUK: 9% (+9)

LDEM: 9% (+2)

UKIP: 5% (-22)

GRN: 5% (-2)

[JohnL]

LOL My twitter timeline after seeing something written on his facebook 'Lord Adonis is a born again leaver'

I think as the South West EU elections primary candidate he has been asked to think about the secondary candidate and has reined in the remain rhetoric for now (you can't vote for an individual only a party) ?.

(sorry got that wrong as he is second candidate for labour behind Clare Moody, also in the region Rachel Johnson (Sister of Boris), Anne Widdecombe and Carl Benjamin (Sargon of Akkad).

Here's a link

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/iain-dale/comments-labour-candidate-lord-adonis-sorry/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/the-londoner-astonishment-at-adoniss-uturn-a4126101.html

[JohnL]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/john-rhysdavies-slammed-for-shouting-oh-woman-at-caroline-lucas-a4126951.html

I enjoyed the first two series of Sliders until it got over the top and they slid into that Brexit universe with the useless Prime Minister.

[diable rouge]

From Peston...Labour MPs and MEPs are signing letter to party?s ruling NEC calling for its EU elections manifesto to contain unambiguous commitment to confirmatory Brexit referendum. Attached is crucial section. Momentous decision for the NEC on Tuesday.

[Angelina]

Given the way our government are behaving, I can't see how anyone still wanting to Leave has given proper thought to who we would be turning power over to. Imbeciles. The government, I mean.

[JohnL]

Farage : "If there is a more arrogant and dishonest national political figure at the moment than Lord @Andrew_Adonis of Camden Town, I am not aware of them."

I don't know who that person could be Nigel :)

[diable rouge]

Labour's European Election manifesto...

[Bob Buzzard]

I've got a postal vote for the Euro elections. I'll vote LD because they're the unequivocal remain party.

[diable rouge]

It's disappointing that the 3 remain parties, LibDems, Change UK, and Greens haven't agreed some form of umbrella grouping remainers can vote for, or agree a strategy to stand aside and let just one of the parties stand in each area.

In lieu of such pragmatic, sensible cooperation, and also because the elections are based on the D'Hondt PR system, my vote will go to the party that is doing best in the polls for whatever area we come under.

Here's an explainer how D'Hondt works...

 

[diable rouge]

Registering to vote in the European elections is very easy if you're not registered or you're unsure if you are registered or not.

Deadline to do so is 7th May... http://getvoting.org/

[diable rouge]

Outrageous that last week only 300 of 3.7m EU citizens living in UK were registered to vote in EU elections! Monumental cockup. We've spent the last 24 hours building this to let people send the UC-1 form online. Please RT or send to EU citizens in UK: https://registertovote.eu/

[uncleglen]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> Outrageous that last week only 300 of 3.7m EU

> citizens living in UK were registered to vote in

> EU elections! Monumental cockup. We've spent the

> last 24 hours building this to let people send the

> UC-1 form online. Please RT or send to EU citizens

> in UK: https://registertovote.eu/

Makes you wonder why they came here!

[Alan Medic]

I don't believe that figure. Of the 5 EU citizens I contacted at work, 3 came back to me and said they had registered. The other 2 didn't reply. That's a poll showing that 60% have registered.

[diable rouge]

The link highlights that EU citizens might think that they are registered to vote for the European elections because they are registered for other UK elections, but for the European elections they also need to register using another specific form...

European Parliament elections are on 23 May - as an EU citizen, you're entitled to vote here in the United Kingdom. Even if you are registered to vote in other UK elections, for these elections the UK government requires an extra step to register to vote.

You have to fill in the UC-1 form and send it to your local electoral registration offices. This is normally publicised well in advance, but because of Brexit, most people haven?t been told. This tool will allow you to submit the UC-1 form online. Don?t lose your vote!

[diable rouge]

As an aside, has anyone received their European polling card yet?...

[Angelina]

not yet - just registered - takes up to ten days - closing date for registration is 7th May (Tuesday next week)

[Hemingway]

Very happy to see that May and Corbyn are both getting a good kicking at the local elections

[Sue]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> Registering to vote in the European elections is

> very easy if you're not registered or you're

> unsure if you are registered or not.

> Deadline to do so is 7th May...

> http://getvoting.org/

Thank you so much for this, I had no idea you had to register separately and can't remember whether I already am or not, so have just done it anyway.

[keano77]

Sue, my understanding is as a UK citizen, if you are on the electoral register, you don?t need to register to vote in the EU elections. Your polling card should come through automatically.

EU citizens do though, presumably to avoid duplication in case they are registered elsewhere or have postal votes etc