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[Sephiroth]

where "Apparently " = the usual nutcase weird sources. Cummings?

I'm calling BS on this interpretation

[diable rouge]

3500...

[diable rouge]

Bugger!...

[diable rouge]

That's already been debunked, will look for a source...

[diable rouge]

Try this legal debunk for size...https://twitter.com/GeorgePeretzQC/status/1170619107387068416

[teddyboy23]

Just read it Dr thanks.

[JohnL]

That's some Humble Address by Dominic Grieve.

Basically sounds like "give me all your phones and passwords"

[JohnL]

Private polling of constituencies not showing good for tories (this is constituency by constituency and seems to point to maybe the tories are piling up votes in already safe constituencies).

"A Number 10 mole tells me that the private polling actually shows the Tories would currently win 💥287 seats 💥(YouGov. Sample 50,000)" @PippaCrerar

[diable rouge]

That could be a deliberate Cummings leak on the eve of tonight's early election vote, trick Corbyn into thinking that an early election plays into his hands. Or I could be getting really cynical...:)

[diable rouge]

Boris Johnson rules out election pact with Brexit Party. Senior Tory source: ''Neither Nigel Farage nor Arron Banks are fit and proper persons and they should never be allowed anywhere near government''

That's quite the statement coming from the driver of the Brexit clown car...

[Alan Medic]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> Boris Johnson rules out election pact with Brexit

> Party. Senior Tory source: ''Neither Nigel Farage

> nor Arron Banks are fit and proper persons and

> they should never be allowed anywhere near

> government''

>

> That's quite the statement coming from the driver

> of the Brexit clown car...

And quite peculiar at this point in time. I wonder why?

[exdulwicher]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> diable rouge Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Boris Johnson rules out election pact with

> Brexit

> > Party. Senior Tory source: ''Neither Nigel

> Farage

> > nor Arron Banks are fit and proper persons and

> > they should never be allowed anywhere near

> > government''

> >

> > That's quite the statement coming from the

> driver

> > of the Brexit clown car...

>

> And quite peculiar at this point in time. I wonder

> why?

The whole point of the "leaving the EU" referendum was to remove votes from Farage and UKIP and pull the right-wingers back to the Tory Party. Remain would win, the UKIP'ers would be shot down in flames, the Tories reinvigorated with all their former voters coming back from the UKIP / BNP / Farage wilderness and life could go on more or less as normal with the Tories quietly continuing to asset strip the country in the name of austerity.

Sadly.....

They're now terrified that Farage will take all their Leave votes. The remain votes have already gone to Lib Dem / Green and to a certain extent Labour which is why the Tories couldn't care less about Remain and are pushing their "leave no matter what" agenda because if they fail at that, all the Leave voters get fed up and disappear off to Farage. So now they're discrediting Farage as much as possible even though he was a useful ally to Boris in the Leave campaign.

The smart thing to do now is to revoke Article 50. Remain would all come back and go "oh, you aren't that bad after all", Leave can safely be discounted cos they're in the minority now and Farage can take responsibility for the ultra-right wing lunatic branch which should have the effect of showing him up for what he is - a neo-Nazi thug albeit one who is marginally more educated than the Tommy Stephen Yaxley Robinson Lennon lot.

[exdulwicher]

Not sure any of this was written on the side of a bus....

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831199/20190802_Latest_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf

Yellowhammer papers - worst case scenarios of a no-deal Brexit. Not quite the unicorns and sunlit uplands is it? Doesn't look like we've regained much control of anything. Not sure that "sovereignity" puts food on the table or fuel in the car or medicines in the hospitals...

Well done Leavers. Great work. Are you finally going to admit that you were all conned? Or do you still think all this is wonderful and just what the country needs?

It's like someone who has been conned out of their life savings or pension and instead of being furious, is sitting there going "oh well I hope the scammer has a nice time on his holidays with my money".

[Sephiroth]

Just last week on this very thread Lou was accusing me and others of doom mongering and we weren?t basing anything on facts. And yet here we are

[Sephiroth]

Also I get the very strong impression that a document covering problems highlighted would be (and probably was) longer than 5 pages

So who knows how much has been missed. I see the reacted refinery stuff has come out as well this evening

[keano77]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> Just last week on this very thread Lou was

> accusing me and others of doom mongering and we

> weren?t basing anything on facts. And yet here we

> are

How are these facts? They are planning assumptions - short term possible downsides.

[Sephiroth]

If you can read that redacted document and only see short term ?downsides? I fear for your sanity

Speaking of facts - regale us some more with all of the upsides now!

Oh and also - if these working assumptions published turn out to be true what will you do then? It won?t be take any responsibility will it?

[keano77]

?...Speaking of facts - regale us some more with all of the upsides now!...?

Merkel sees the bigger picture and it?s got her worried

Merkel warns of danger to EU of Singapore-style UK on its border

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/11/angela-merkel-stresses-danger-of-britain-becoming-singapore-on-thames-no-deal

[Sephiroth]

And somehow you think this will encourage her and others to give uk a good deal?

[keano77]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> And somehow you think this will encourage her and

> others to give uk a good deal?

On the contrary, if you care to read the article you?ll see that she/they/the Eu are so worried that Britain could be successful that

?...EU sources have said that the UK will need to sign up to more onerous, level playing-field obligations than Canada due to the UK?s proximity and the size of its economy...?

Point is, project fear is for the little guys. The big players see the potential upsides and the EU don?t like it.

[Sephiroth]

And you think of this country goes down that road it will be good for the ordinary joe do you?

[Sephiroth]

I did read the article earlier today. But it contains nothing to make me optimistic about the future of this country

[JohnL]

Singapore style as described in January

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/27/uk/singapore-model-brexit-dyson-gbr-intl/index.html

[TheCat]

keano77 Wrote:

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> Sephiroth Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Just last week on this very thread Lou was

> > accusing me and others of doom mongering and we

> > weren?t basing anything on facts. And yet here

> we

> > are

>

> How are these facts? They are planning assumptions

> - short term possible downsides.

Come one Keano77, you know the rules mate..."facts" are anything bad that might happen post-brexit; "lies" are anything good that might happen.....

[keano77]

Yes of course TheCat. Apologies, I don?t know what came over me.