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[Jenny1]

JohnL Wrote:

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> The Grand Wizards - really. The group who went to

> Chequers call themselves that. No wonder it was

> all men.

>

> Laura K just dropped it on twitter last night like

> an afterthought - both 'KKK' and 'Grand Wizards'

> trending within an hour and she's back 'oh I

> didn't check my twitter - I seem to have started

> something'

Yes. And it's clear that Michael Gove (one of the aforementioned 'Grand Wizards', and one of the most likely sources for the fact the 'Chequers Boys' call themselves that) knows exactly what the term means. See below from 2016.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/michael-gove-criticised-kkk-black-lives-matter-joke/

[peckman]

I went to the March on Saturday. It was amazing but depressing to see basically one demographic there .. my age , my class, my race . Being a northerner living a now comfortable middle class lifestyle in London how does ANY solution please all of the population ? Cameron should be blamed for making the country vote heads or tails

[peckman]

Also loved the fact that Iain Duncan Smith rocked up to chequers in his Morgan!! Ffs ids.at least arrive in your range rover or something .

[Sue]

peckman Wrote:

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> I went to the March on Saturday. It was amazing

> but depressing to see basically one demographic

> there .. my age , my class, my race . Being a

> northerner living a now comfortable middle class

> lifestyle in London how does ANY solution please

> all of the population ? Cameron should be blamed

> for making the country vote heads or tails

We must have been on a different march!

I saw a very diverse group of people in terms of age, race and nationality.

How do you tell what class someone is, btw???

[peckman]

Ok sue . Fair point . It was an amazing day but can you honestly say that was representative of the UK population or London population? I suppose what I'm trying to say is politicians have to win hearts and minds of people that weren't marching .those communities that see all their high streets closing etc . Take a look up around London and tell me that reflected in the demographic of the March. ?

[JohnL]

Bercow loves it these days

"Mr Bercow had told Mr Hands: ?I don?t require any help from the right honourable gentleman, the member for Chelsea and Fulham, who wouldn?t have the foggiest idea where to start.?He was once a whip, he wasn?t a very good whip, it would be better if he kept quiet.?

As the Speaker was met with a loud clamour, he defended his comments, saying they were "were not outrageous at all" and adding "members could shout as much as they like" but it "wouldn't make any difference?.

[diable rouge]

DUP not playing ball...

[JohnL]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> DUP not playing ball...

> https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1110542

> 249715253249

That's it for May's deal then.

Interesting DUP are OK with a years extension

[diable rouge]

This is a good example of the effect a successful online petition and demonstration can have...

Lisa Nandy on #PoliticsLive: ?My preference would be to leave with a good deal with a customs union and access to the single market. But the PM should know that I would vote to revoke Article 50, before I allowed us to leave with no deal and there are many who feel the same way.?

[Sue]

peckman Wrote:

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> Ok sue . Fair point . It was an amazing day but

> can you honestly say that was representative of

> the UK population or London population? I suppose

> what I'm trying to say is politicians have to win

> hearts and minds of people that weren't marching

> .those communities that see all their high streets

> closing etc . Take a look up around London and

> tell me that reflected in the demographic of the

> March. ?

But maybe what you are saying is the people who weren't marching might have been the people who voted leave?

Which would have been why they weren't marching?

Or am I just confused? :))

ETA: Oh look, this thread is on page 99!

[Passiflora]

Yes, you are confused Sue.

[malumbu]

I'm back. This is doing my head in. Emotions all over the place. From the 'how exciting, we are writing history' to the WTF and how did we get here. I've got to stop watching the BBC news and switch to Channel 4. Newsnight is fine. QT can just make me angry - although the one in Northern Ireland was much more rational/measured. I've got a job that is, well very much affected by Brexit. And colleagues are the same, every time there is a staff meeting and they turn to us and ask whether we have any questions, silence - (a) fatigue (b) bosses know no more than us. And then in the tea rooms off we go again, and we are all monitoring the situation out of the corner of our eyes. And at home passionate debates and arguments, even if we are all on the same side.

Anyway, in a moment trying to rationalise all of this at work having an informed conversation with someone who appeared to be very balanced, and not emotive like me, the person says "Rees Mogg" bare-faced liar, Gove - ditto. I'll get a t-shirt printed. Now RM has taken all that a stage further.

I've not spoken to the rabid in-laws in Tamworth about my emotions.

So I may be accused of being boring, but perhaps many of us feel similar.

[peckman]

Hi sue . Good question! Touche! I really don't freaking know . I've had enough of Brexit and if the east dulwich forum cant sort it out gawd knows how any government can . Cant we just forget about the referendum and move on ?

[JohnL]

If Theresa May sacrifices herself with no legacy and having done nothing in office and then her deal fails too.

It might be a summary of her.

[Jules-and-Boo]

Sacrifice? I suppose there is an assumption some people are unable to see their own failings.

[diable rouge]

Johnson and Mogg are playing an obvious game, get rid of May and elect an ERG-type leader to negotiate the next stage i.e. Political Declaration, so that they can threaten to tear it up if they don't get their own way, which is their long-term aim. The EU played a blinder last week with the April 12th extension, they could see that the Gov was setting everything up for the EU to be blamed for a No Deal. Now if No Deal happens it will be solely down to the UK Gov...

[JohnL]

Verhofstad obviously watches the UK intently - but some things are just too strange.

"I'm surprised to see you here Mr Farage, I thought you were marching 200 miles, How many did you do 2 miles ?

You remind me more and more of Field Marshall Haig in Blackadder"

Even though Haig has been compared to a Donkey - Guy mean't General Melchett didn't he?

[diable rouge]

Last might's votes were never about finding 'a winner', merely to see how the land lies and to filter out non-starters such as No Deal and Norway. Rather than one option being the way forward, I think it's more likely one or two options will be considered, e.g. Customs Union with a ratification vote, likewise CU could be tacked onto May's WA, as could RV, as could CU & RV...

[Angelina]

yes they need to have a smaller list of options to gain a majority

[teddyboy23]

They still wouldn't have a clue

[JohnL]

Bercow allows vote tomorrow on MV3 (Only the withdrawal agreement) - maybe he's in a good mood or something.

This will be the last time I think.

[JohnL]

What you up to now Theresa

[robbin]

Third time unlucky TM

[JohnL]

"Chris Grayling says MPs who voted against the Government will regret it."

Two days later all MPs voting FOR the government deal wake up next to a horses head.

Oh Failing Grayling.

[Angelina]

Can we please please just vote on each MP and if we want them to continue to stand for the country.

Each one - Yes/ No - if the majority is Yes, they stay; No they are removed from Office.

I look forward to a new generation of good, committed individuals - with morals, integrity, backbone

Since the younger generation are so keen to state that they are not represented - can we please see them stand up for themselves? and stand as MPs?