just_browsing Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Sadly someone has vandalised the Mehdi Ghadyanloo mural on Kinsale Road - see pic. Gallery and specialist paint suppliers have been made aware, but any other suggestions hugely welcome.Especially gutting so soon after the sad passing of Ingrid Beazley, who put so much energy and passion into this and the other murals.Any wise ideas on getting this c@$p off? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/169450-graffiti-on-outdoor-gallery-mural-kinsale-road/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigello Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 I would your local councillor. There is a type of clear varnish that will protect paint. I heard the council may think it hazardous, but it is widely available and will have been put through all the right tests, so I don't buy it. (If you search it online you will find it is about ?25. I think a few cans of this paid for by Cleaner, Greener Southwark would be useful.) Glad that you informed the police because they may be able to build up a profile. FYI, the council will remove tagging from property that is private if you sign a waiver: 020 7525 2000 for the environment department, I think. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/169450-graffiti-on-outdoor-gallery-mural-kinsale-road/#findComment-1181730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendelharris Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Tossers. I didn't know that one, hope it can be restored, looks wonderful. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/169450-graffiti-on-outdoor-gallery-mural-kinsale-road/#findComment-1181735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nxjen Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Love this mural, one of my favourites. On the other hand, there?s an interesting discussion to be had about the spontaneity of graffiti occurring on a managed piece of street art. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/169450-graffiti-on-outdoor-gallery-mural-kinsale-road/#findComment-1181751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
solar Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Such a shame. It's my favourite one. Hope it can be restored. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/169450-graffiti-on-outdoor-gallery-mural-kinsale-road/#findComment-1181870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
just_browsing Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 Many thanks all. We've ordered in the paint Mehdi used and are working with the paint suppliers and the gallery that represents him to do our best to get it back to its old self. Thanks for tips on varnish (part of question is breathability of varnish but seems the tech may have moved on since we last looked), while with all due respect to the council, the fear of them just painting over in white means we're exploring these other options. But it is great they offer the service. As for graffiti spontaneity, I get the argument more when the original piece is more 'graffiti' in nature and style (and to be clear, nothing wrong at all with that, not a criticism or snobbery) when you can at times see a genuine coming together of different artists' efforts, but here, with a combination of a precise and pristine mural that could be replicated in a gallery print / painting on the one side and a meaningless tag with zero artistic effort or merit, I am disinclined to agree on this occasion. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/169450-graffiti-on-outdoor-gallery-mural-kinsale-road/#findComment-1181886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigello Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 On the other hand, there?s an interesting discussion to be had about the spontaneity of graffiti occurring on a managed piece of street art....... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/169450-graffiti-on-outdoor-gallery-mural-kinsale-road/#findComment-1181890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
flocker spotter Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Nigello Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> On the other hand, there?s an interesting> discussion to be had about the spontaneity of> graffiti occurring on a managed piece of street> art.> > ......There is not much chance of that on here I fear. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/169450-graffiti-on-outdoor-gallery-mural-kinsale-road/#findComment-1181898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigello Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 I was quoting a previous poster. I would love to hear more. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/169450-graffiti-on-outdoor-gallery-mural-kinsale-road/#findComment-1181901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendelharris Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Graffiti over extant graffiti and graffiti over a piece of artwork which happens to be on a public wall are worlds apart, don't you think? The Last Supper is painted on a wall, were some chump to decide to tag it that wouldn't be a subject for interesting discussion, it would be an outrage...I'm probably a hidebound old reactionary but this sort of crap seems not much different to me than smashing windows for fun.ETA to expand slightly, I assume most people quite like the outside of their dwelling to look nice, would they be happy and think it interesting if someone came and tagged it? In which case what makes a work of public art (which is still someone's wall) any different, except that it is vandalizing something into which much more effort has been put and will be much more difficult to repair? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/169450-graffiti-on-outdoor-gallery-mural-kinsale-road/#findComment-1181904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhistory Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Under capitalism the starting point for a discussion might be "Who owns it?",Nigello Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> On the other hand, there?s an interesting> discussion to be had about the spontaneity of> graffiti occurring on a managed piece of street> art.> > ...... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/169450-graffiti-on-outdoor-gallery-mural-kinsale-road/#findComment-1181911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabag Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 The tagging in that pink is in itself quite a nice scheme. There's some thought gone into it. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/169450-graffiti-on-outdoor-gallery-mural-kinsale-road/#findComment-1181951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxxi Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 I suspect the tagger would have used this wall regardless of what was or wasn't on it... Or maybe they thought the signature written in the corner was another tagger so it was ok to write on?I'm kidding.I am. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/169450-graffiti-on-outdoor-gallery-mural-kinsale-road/#findComment-1181954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nxjen Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 When I posted earlier, I was thinking of the origins of street art which emerged and evolved from graffiti in the 1970s as a spontaneous and subversive art form. The Dulwich Street Art Gallery epitomises how street art has been assimilated into the mainstream traditional art establishment, and made respectable, losing all its guerilla roots and expressiveness. I?m not saying that?s a bad thing, but I think there?s a statement made by the graffiti on this mural, whether it was made consiously or not. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/169450-graffiti-on-outdoor-gallery-mural-kinsale-road/#findComment-1181997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyraj Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Someone tagged the Walter Kershaw mural on the corner of Choumert Road / Bellenden Road last year.I think there's a big divide between the origins of graffiti as an art form and crap tags done by a 14 year old. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/169450-graffiti-on-outdoor-gallery-mural-kinsale-road/#findComment-1182005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nxjen Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 The originators of graffiti as an art form probably started as 14 year olds doing crap tags. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/169450-graffiti-on-outdoor-gallery-mural-kinsale-road/#findComment-1182008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
just_browsing Posted October 6, 2017 Author Share Posted October 6, 2017 They tagged the building site hoarding opposite too, either as an extended part of their articulate and adroit artistic and social commentary or because, you know, it was there. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/169450-graffiti-on-outdoor-gallery-mural-kinsale-road/#findComment-1182009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhistory Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 just_browsing:Are you acting as an agent for the owner of the mural? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/169450-graffiti-on-outdoor-gallery-mural-kinsale-road/#findComment-1182011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
just_browsing Posted October 6, 2017 Author Share Posted October 6, 2017 I think I prefer Picasso's efforts as a 14 year old, see attached, but hey Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/169450-graffiti-on-outdoor-gallery-mural-kinsale-road/#findComment-1182013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
flocker spotter Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 nxjen Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> The originators of graffiti as an art form> probably started as 14 year olds doing crap tags.well done for trying to get a discussion going, but it is wasted on here Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/169450-graffiti-on-outdoor-gallery-mural-kinsale-road/#findComment-1182276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendelharris Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 There certainly won't be a discussion if instead of joining in the discussion people just post (twice!) "there's not going to be a discussion"! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/169450-graffiti-on-outdoor-gallery-mural-kinsale-road/#findComment-1182287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 nxjen Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> The originators of graffiti as an art form> probably started as 14 year olds doing crap tags.Yep.And I'm going to the Basquiat exhibition next week.Graffiti morphed into art worth millions of pounds and a show at the Barbican.Discuss. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/169450-graffiti-on-outdoor-gallery-mural-kinsale-road/#findComment-1182302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
east-of-the-Rye Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 I thought this policeman on Consort Road was great, with a lovely smile, but someone tagged his face (before I took this picture) and changed his expression.The whole picture was, I suppose, graffiti, and has gone now - there are houses there now. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/169450-graffiti-on-outdoor-gallery-mural-kinsale-road/#findComment-1182876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxxi Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Let's be honest it's a pretty awful mural anyway, bland, obvious, pointless and derivative. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/169450-graffiti-on-outdoor-gallery-mural-kinsale-road/#findComment-1182915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigello Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Yeah, so let's destroy it! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/169450-graffiti-on-outdoor-gallery-mural-kinsale-road/#findComment-1182921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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